Terry Fisher Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Fun to watch. They are great shooters. Just ask the buffalos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, Terry Fisher said: Fun to watch. They are great shooters. Just ask the buffalos. A modern 12 gauge 2 3/4" shell can shoot a 1 oz. (Roughly 437 gr.) lead projectile through a smooth bore at roughly 1300-1600+ FPS. The 45/70 has a rifled barrel capable of shooting 400+ grain bullets accurately out to 100s of yards at 1100 + FPS. Buffalo's stand a very favorable chance of having the last laugh at distance with the 12 gauge. Within 50 yds. the Buffalo's luck diminishes with a 12 gauge. Within 20 yds with a model 1897 Winchester 12-gauge slam firing, the Buffalo will not like that at all. Fact Jack. Now, back to those BB guns. : > ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Fisher Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Now, back to those BB guns. : > ).....................Not yet......... Is that a Winchester Model 97? Good looking shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Terry Fisher said: Is that a Winchester Model 97? You got it. 1910 serial. John Browning design. I got brave one day and shot a box of 15 Federal Power-Shok 1610 FPS slugs through it. The first 2 shots I rested the gun on the bag on bench at the range and ducked my head under the bench in case she blew. (I was alone at the range) The old girl took those hopped-up Federals like a champ. Lol. The rest of the box I beaded on the target. I am not a shotgun nut, but this model fascinates me. I love the way it cycles. John Browning fascinates me. The model 97 was on market for years.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Fisher Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 I Like the way it looks and cycles. I believe the model 97 was the only pump shotgun ever made with a hammer. John Browning was a real genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Terry Fisher said: I Like the way it looks and cycles. I believe the model 97 was the only pump shotgun ever made with a hammer. John Browning was a real genius. They came in different flavors. Full length hunting models with cylinder, modified, and full choke. Take down and non-takedown, riot model, and military trench model. Riot and trench are 20" cylinder bore. I witnessed an authentic trench model with wear and tear on online auction go for roughly $14-$15K. You can pick up a decent take down full length model with modified or full choke and make a riot gun out of it. Read up on it. Barrel length is 20" with front brass bead 1/2" in from the front of the barrel. A gunsmith can cut the barrel down and place the bead factory like for under a Ben Franklin. You can doll it back up with some fine wet dry, steel wool and some cold bluing. Once the barrel is cut down bye bye modified or full choke. Edited January 12 by Russ Huber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Fisher Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 (edited) Interesting and the Germans did not like Allied use of these in trench combat?........................I also see on the web reproductions including the trench gun model. Edited January 12 by Terry Fisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Making a riot gun is far less hassle than the trench version. I don't think you can even get the reproduction parts for the trench model at this time.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Montgomery Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Pellet, not BB. Does it count? Evanix Rainstorm II 30 cal air rifle. My fav hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Montgomery Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Sumatra 25 cal air rifle. My fav plinker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 41 minutes ago, Jeff Montgomery said: Pellet, not BB. Does it count? Evanix Rainstorm II 30 cal air rifle. My fav hunter. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 38 minutes ago, Jeff Montgomery said: Sumatra 25 cal air rifle. My fav plinker... Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 It is amazing what they are doing with those air guns with large caliber and velocity. They are pleasing to the eyes for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Fisher Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 Jeff…..Sure like the stock on that .30 caliber.  I have an Anshutz .22 caliber rim fire with the same stock design and really appreciate how natural it points with that grip. What grain of pellets are you shooting? The Sumatra is a such beautiful rifle at a very good price. I have one in .22 caliber (500cc dual tank model 2500) so I know it shoots as good as it looks. Mine has a Wolf lead catcher so it’s very quiet. As Russ mentioned it is amazing what they are doing with air guns. But to equal the knockdown power of a .22 cal. rim fire one must use a .30 cal. air gun. I just bought a Hatsan model Blitz in .30 cal. Pellet velocity is 730 fps and it runs in semiautomatic or in full auto at 1,000 rounds per minute. So it does not take very long to empty the 16 round magazine. Last week I got a raccoon with it using full auto. He did not suffer from the experience.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Montgomery Posted Saturday at 03:37 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:37 PM Terry, It's been years since I shot and don't remember the pellet grain. I recall that the Rainstorm liked Diabolo Exacts, but forget if it liked 2.90 g or 3.25 g best. I was really lucky to get a thumb hole stock on the Rainstorm. I think that only the first few sold in the US had them. I love that stock. I also have a Hatsan P1 in 25 cal. with a lead catcher (may be a Wolf). That setup is a heavy beast. I remember Manny on the airgun forum was hunting wild boar mainly with a 30 cal Rainstorm. At least he was years ago... Sounds like you are still active in the airgun hobby. Good shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Fisher Posted Saturday at 05:03 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 05:03 PM I use 44.75 gr and 50.15 JSB Match Diabolo Exact 30 caliber pellets. So they are equal to a 22 caliber long rifle round since most of these come in a 40gr weight. I've always appreciated air guns after watching this video:  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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