Randy Pierce Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 R1 on the tag is 3star with brass struts, and R5 is 2 star with steel stuts....Am I right on this???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Stephens Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) There are also three stars with steel struts and an iron oscillator disc that replaced the earlier pot metal one, from 1915 I think.. I have sold mine so can't check to see. Edited February 24, 2023 by Steve Stephens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Steve Stephens said: There are also three stars with steel struts and an iron oscillator disc that replaced the earlier pot metal one, from 1915 I think.. I have sold mine so can't check to see. There is a pin you can drive out that holds the oscillator drive wheel on the shaft to swap wheels. I just sold two 3 star models. Form R1 has the brass trimmings and the later R4 3 star has the steel struts BB & BG and pot metal oscillator wheel. The R5 2 star should follow suit with the 3-star R4 I would think. I have some of those 2 stars in storage, you have my curiosity up. Maybe I can sell you a few? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Andersen Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 This is my R5. It's a 3 star with brass cage and steel struts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Trevor Andersen said: This is my R5. It's a 3 star with brass cage and steel struts. Is your oscillator wheel die cast (pot metal)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Russ Huber said: Is your oscillator wheel die cast (pot metal)? It looks great regardless of what the oscillator wheel is/was made of. : > ) Enjoy your toy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Andersen Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Russ Huber said: Is your oscillator wheel die cast (pot metal)? Thanks. You know it has been so long since I painted it that I don't remember. I don't think I have photos of the restoration process to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Trevor Andersen said: This is my R5. Being you own it, put a magnet to it and post the results. I am looking forward to learning if the Form 5 oscillator wheel was die cast like my Form 4. Paint won't hide pot metal from a magnet. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 All three are 2 stars. Type AO Form R5 on the left, BB/BG, steel struts, steel oscillator wheel. Type AO Form R5 in the center, 6 wing steel blade, brass guard, steel struts, and steel oscillator wheel. I clocked the 6 wing blade on high at 1250 RPM. I seriously doubt it is a 6 pole stator wind. My bet, GE cut corners with a high slip motor. Type AOU Form V4 on the right, BB/BG, steel struts, steel oscillator wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) The 6 wing steel blade Type AO Form R5 ranges 1300 RPM high to 720 RPM on low non-oscillation mode. No way I could get 1300 RPM from a 6 pole motor. Edited February 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Pierce Posted February 25, 2023 Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 I have 2 complete star fans 2 and 3 star. The R1 is flawless in matching green [brass struts] 2 stage urethane, the R5 I did for a customer in 2 stage black urethane per request [steel struts]. The R5 fan had a cracked oscillator wheel pot metal i think. [Built both of these about 15 yrs ago]. Got 2" brass round stock, machined it to an exact replica and painted to match. I don't even remember if black was a factory color, but they sure look good in black! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Randy Pierce said: I have 2 complete star fans 2 and 3 star. The R1 is flawless in matching green [brass struts] 2 stage urethane, the R5 I did for a customer in 2 stage black urethane per request [steel struts]. The R5 fan had a cracked oscillator wheel pot metal i think. [Built both of these about 15 yrs ago]. Got 2" brass round stock, machined it to an exact replica and painted to match. I don't even remember if black was a factory color, but they sure look good in black! Both Form R5 examples (left and center) I posted are factory black enamel. Interesting you think you had a Form R5 with pot metal wheel. Mine are both steel. If I could have machined brass oscillator wheels, mine would have gone to the buffing wheel, polish, and to the fan. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Russ Huber said: The 6 wing steel blade Type AO Form R5 ranges 1300 RPM high to 720 RPM on low non-oscillation mode. No way I could get 1300 RPM from a 6 pole motor. Some may recall this GE 6 wing oscillating fan with slower speed and 4 pole stator from posting of past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Pierce Posted February 25, 2023 Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 Russ, it's been so long ago, I can't say for positive on the wheel material. My customer brought it to me comlete, but saving the wheel was not a good option I remember. If it steel, there's all kinds of ways to save it. May have indeed been pot metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Randy Pierce said: Russ, it's been so long ago, I can't say for positive on the wheel material. My customer brought it to me comlete, but saving the wheel was not a good option I remember. If it steel, there's all kinds of ways to save it. May have indeed been pot metal You're probably on target, being it was pot metal. I just sold a 3-star Form R4 (black factory enamel) with a pot metal wheel still intact. If I was the buyer of that fan, I would take a drift punch and drive the pin out releasing the pot metal wheel and replace it with a machined brass or original steel wheel. 🙂 Steve Rockwell corrected me by message service for a post above in which I posted Form 5 and not Form R5. Please forgive any of my future horrific errors such as Steve pointed out with these GE AEIOU and sometimes Y numerical funky Type/Category/Form designations. I just know them by Roundback, 3-star, 2 stars, Bell oscillator etc. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butler Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Let me add some mud to the water. I have an S2 two star BB SC 110 direct current. The oscillator wheel is steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butler Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Also a T1 SB BC 32v. direct current two star. It appears to have the same date as the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Randy Pierce Posted February 26, 2023 Author Share Posted February 26, 2023 Ok, mystery solved...steel vs pot metal oscillator wheel on the R5 fan. I got the fan back for another build I did for the customer very recently as he owed me a diff, so I took the R5 back fan for pmt owed. Back then & having the oscillator apart, [at least 15 yrs ago] he asked if a brass wheel could be made at that time, so yes of course and exactly. It took a refresher phone call to jar my memory, so there you have it. I'll then say all the wheels on the early 75423 fans are steel. I painted it black for originality and may or may not sell it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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