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39 minutes ago, Mel Lagarde said:

Russ found evidence that they did make fans.  Sweet!!!!

Congrats, Mel, I am happy for you, I wanted this to have a happy ending. You can credit Jeff Lumsden for finding the VERY elusive 1890s Detroit Motor Co. fan motor listings found so far in 93-94 and 95 documentations. This gives your fan motor a circa of manufacture.

That embossed Detroit tag alongside that motor is worth a million bucks. That is about as concrete as you can get to validate your Detroit fan motor. Enjoy your toy!

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Russ is correct, many to thanks for this ending.   Jeff, Russ, Steve, and the collectors who sent me their Detroit Fan Motors.  
 

This is what makes the Forums valuable.  New information and advice is being found every day.  
 

My best to my collaborators and the AFCA 

 

Mel

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The embossed tag may explain why the four-hole tag was attached the way that it was to the cast base - existing cast base stock with machined/tapped holes, but newer tag.

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I hammered 92-95 electrical trade over the weekend to try to pin down a 'sneak in peek' of the Detroit Motor Co. fan motor, it was fruitless. There is no doubt now these later Detroit manufacture 1890s fan motors were manufactured by them, but their marketing of the fans was very low profile.  I tried to nail down a 90s Detroit Motor Co. exhibit to see if I could get a peek at one, I failed to do so.

This topic was brought up in past unresolved.  This time a can of worms got opened with teamwork. I enjoyed it. Jeff Lumsden is credited to giving these existing Detroit Motor Co. fan motor examples a timeline. 

There is one more potential fan motor to seek from them, that would be the Fisher patent dental motor for battery or primary circuit of the 1880s.

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2 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said:

     .....   Not done yet...   Published 1893.

 

 

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That's not fair, who did you pay to get that image? : > )

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8 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said:

     .....   Not done yet...   Published 1893.

 

 

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Wow!  Under what company name was this listed?

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Getting that one to cough up wasn't easy, nice catch.  They make mention of the 1/8th HP motor in 93, BUT.....it may have been being manufactured prior. I doubt very much earlier than the 90s. What is really cool is they specify that motor construction (Fig. 22) only in fan motor or utility size.

 

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93 Mason battery fan with blade. My bet is Mason wasn't making his own blades. Same circa and would look nice on Mel's fan.  

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8 minutes ago, Russ Huber said:

93 Mason battery fan with blade. My bet is Mason wasn't making his own blades. Same circa and would look nice on Mel's fan.  

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It would look like this when you get it done. I found the image on an old flash drive of mine last night. I don't know who to credit it to. It must have been posted in the past.

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Now it's entirely possible they retained the building at 47 Rowland and expanded to include 212 Griswold... considering the claims of growing business et cetera, it seems likelier they'd require both...

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     Then to the new factory pictured in the ad posted earlier:

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     Further confirmation of the "idle" factory--- 1897

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     Detroit Electrical Works followed the motor company out near the tracks, but was "finished" by that time...

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Was this a buy it now auction on eBay in the wrong category to sell for under $400? I don't look at eBay anymore unless a member contacts me for help.

The rear and front bearing mounts and frame construction designate early production. 

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So many fan motors along with the big dog manufacturers were well advertised early 90s electrical trade, yet Detroit Motor Co. fans starting in the 90s seem to have almost been marketed not far from home base. Very low-profile fan motor marketing.

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Russ,

 

I do not know if it was a final bid price or buy it now.  Someone, hopefully a member, got this one.  With two having the exact same base I am assuming the wood base was when the motor was sold as a utility motor.  Maybe if sold as a fan kit the cast flower pot base was used.   
 

That has to be the same fan showing with the blade from Alan Wilms.  
 

It is amazing to me what you guys can find.   Holy cow!!!
 

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Steve, 

Young Henry Tideman met and married his wife in Detroit in 85. His son William was born in 88 in Detroit. I recall Haroldson stating he had paperwork of Tideman employed at a Detroit concern. I also recall Haroldson posting I could have sworn Tideman was employed by one of the Detroit concerns mentioned here. Can you locate Tideman in Detroit when convenient, please?

"I have written reference to the party he worked for in Detroit, I'll see if I can find it." ~ Loren Haroldson

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Mel, 

Jim just posted with little doubt another example of an 1893 outsourced fan blade. I can't see how you could go wrong reproducing it for your Detroit fan. The Detroit Motor Co. stampings seen on the wings of the claimed Wilm's example blade above I doubt are authentic for such a covertly marketed fan motor. 

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     A new thread will be started, "Henry Tideman-- Early Days", to not distract from Detroit Motor and the bi-polars, and to give supportive details, surmise and speculation on this new (possibly related) subject...

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3 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said:

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     A new thread will be started, "Henry Tideman-- Early Days", to not distract from Detroit Motor and the bi-polars, and to give supportive details, surmise and speculation on this new (possibly related) subject...

No need to fire up a Tideman post. I talked briefly with Loren today. He stated the documentation he recalls had no connection with Tideman and the 80s Detroit electric motor manufacturer concerns.

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     Confirmed: In 1890, Henry Tideman was a Pattern maker at the Detroit Electrical Works..... at eighteen dollars a week, very high pay (for some reason) for a pattern maker in that establishment.....

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  • 2 weeks later...

When they picked some of the land on Cass...

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Still had the offices on Griswold in 93...

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