Russ Huber Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 39 minutes ago, Mel Lagarde said: Russ found evidence that they did make fans. Sweet!!!! Congrats, Mel, I am happy for you, I wanted this to have a happy ending. You can credit Jeff Lumsden for finding the VERY elusive 1890s Detroit Motor Co. fan motor listings found so far in 93-94 and 95 documentations. This gives your fan motor a circa of manufacture. That embossed Detroit tag alongside that motor is worth a million bucks. That is about as concrete as you can get to validate your Detroit fan motor. Enjoy your toy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Lagarde Posted March 6, 2023 Author Share Posted March 6, 2023 Russ is correct, many to thanks for this ending. Jeff, Russ, Steve, and the collectors who sent me their Detroit Fan Motors. This is what makes the Forums valuable. New information and advice is being found every day. My best to my collaborators and the AFCA Mel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 The embossed tag may explain why the four-hole tag was attached the way that it was to the cast base - existing cast base stock with machined/tapped holes, but newer tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) I hammered 92-95 electrical trade over the weekend to try to pin down a 'sneak in peek' of the Detroit Motor Co. fan motor, it was fruitless. There is no doubt now these later Detroit manufacture 1890s fan motors were manufactured by them, but their marketing of the fans was very low profile. I tried to nail down a 90s Detroit Motor Co. exhibit to see if I could get a peek at one, I failed to do so. This topic was brought up in past unresolved. This time a can of worms got opened with teamwork. I enjoyed it. Jeff Lumsden is credited to giving these existing Detroit Motor Co. fan motor examples a timeline. There is one more potential fan motor to seek from them, that would be the Fisher patent dental motor for battery or primary circuit of the 1880s. Edited March 6, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) ..... Not done yet... Published 1893. Edited March 6, 2023 by Steve Rockwell 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: ..... Not done yet... Published 1893. That's not fair, who did you pay to get that image? : > ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: ..... Not done yet... Published 1893. Wow! Under what company name was this listed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Russ Huber Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) Getting that one to cough up wasn't easy, nice catch. They make mention of the 1/8th HP motor in 93, BUT.....it may have been being manufactured prior. I doubt very much earlier than the 90s. What is really cool is they specify that motor construction (Fig. 22) only in fan motor or utility size. The Electric Transformation of Power and Its Application by the Electric Mo... - Google Books Edited March 7, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 93 Mason battery fan with blade. My bet is Mason wasn't making his own blades. Same circa and would look nice on Mel's fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: 93 Mason battery fan with blade. My bet is Mason wasn't making his own blades. Same circa and would look nice on Mel's fan. It would look like this when you get it done. I found the image on an old flash drive of mine last night. I don't know who to credit it to. It must have been posted in the past. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) . Edited March 7, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 BTW.....I doubt very much the blade is original. Those wing stampings are pretty crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) Now it's entirely possible they retained the building at 47 Rowland and expanded to include 212 Griswold... considering the claims of growing business et cetera, it seems likelier they'd require both... Then to the new factory pictured in the ad posted earlier: Further confirmation of the "idle" factory--- 1897 Detroit Electrical Works followed the motor company out near the tracks, but was "finished" by that time... 1910 Edited March 7, 2023 by Steve Rockwell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Western Electrician August 2, 1890 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) Was this a buy it now auction on eBay in the wrong category to sell for under $400? I don't look at eBay anymore unless a member contacts me for help. The rear and front bearing mounts and frame construction designate early production. Edited March 8, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 So many fan motors along with the big dog manufacturers were well advertised early 90s electrical trade, yet Detroit Motor Co. fans starting in the 90s seem to have almost been marketed not far from home base. Very low-profile fan motor marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Lagarde Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 Russ, I do not know if it was a final bid price or buy it now. Someone, hopefully a member, got this one. With two having the exact same base I am assuming the wood base was when the motor was sold as a utility motor. Maybe if sold as a fan kit the cast flower pot base was used. That has to be the same fan showing with the blade from Alan Wilms. It is amazing to me what you guys can find. Holy cow!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Steve, Young Henry Tideman met and married his wife in Detroit in 85. His son William was born in 88 in Detroit. I recall Haroldson stating he had paperwork of Tideman employed at a Detroit concern. I also recall Haroldson posting I could have sworn Tideman was employed by one of the Detroit concerns mentioned here. Can you locate Tideman in Detroit when convenient, please? "I have written reference to the party he worked for in Detroit, I'll see if I can find it." ~ Loren Haroldson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Mel, Jim just posted with little doubt another example of an 1893 outsourced fan blade. I can't see how you could go wrong reproducing it for your Detroit fan. The Detroit Motor Co. stampings seen on the wings of the claimed Wilm's example blade above I doubt are authentic for such a covertly marketed fan motor. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 A new thread will be started, "Henry Tideman-- Early Days", to not distract from Detroit Motor and the bi-polars, and to give supportive details, surmise and speculation on this new (possibly related) subject... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: A new thread will be started, "Henry Tideman-- Early Days", to not distract from Detroit Motor and the bi-polars, and to give supportive details, surmise and speculation on this new (possibly related) subject... No need to fire up a Tideman post. I talked briefly with Loren today. He stated the documentation he recalls had no connection with Tideman and the 80s Detroit electric motor manufacturer concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) Confirmed: In 1890, Henry Tideman was a Pattern maker at the Detroit Electrical Works..... at eighteen dollars a week, very high pay (for some reason) for a pattern maker in that establishment..... Edited March 10, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) When they picked some of the land on Cass... Still had the offices on Griswold in 93... Edited March 19, 2023 by Jeff Lumsden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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