Am I missing something? (Edison Bipolar C-frame)

[Dennis Back]

I've posted pictures of two fans. One is mine, and the other is a fan posted to the forum in 2021 by Steve Stephens. This is not Steve's fan, but one he saw on ebay.  Mine seems to be missing a part behind the blade and in front of the front bearing.

 

Perhaps it's not missing anything and my fan is a variation.  

 

Both fans are 6 wingers and both have the stamped nickel over brass id plate and both plates are the early ones without serial numbers.

 

Am I missing something? What is that thing on the other fan that I don't have and what does it do?  Is it something to do with lubrication maybe?

[George Durbin]

I need that piece too! What is it called?

[Dennis Back]

Just now, George Durbin said:

I need that piece too! What is it called?

But does that piece belong  on our fans?  It might be a variation. Right now it's called.........."The Missing Piece."  😉   

[Jim Kovar]

Slinger ring to bring oil
up from the reservoir to
the top of the shaft as
it turns?

Or maybe just full of wool
wicking?

[George Durbin]

20 minutes ago, Jim Kovar said:

Slinger ring to bring oil
up from the reservoir to
the top of the shaft as
it turns?

Or maybe just full of wool
wicking?

Your full of something Kovar!

[Jim Kovar]

15 minutes ago, George Durbin said:

Your full of something Kovar!

Wool wicking or sumtin' else?

[George Durbin]

Just now, Jim Kovar said:

Wool wicking or sumtin' else?

It smells!  😅🤣😂

[Jim Kovar]

Roses?  

[Jim Kovar]

3 minutes ago, George Durbin said:

It smells!  😅🤣😂

My "something else"
     doesn't stink!

[Dennis Back]

But seriously……from what I’ve seen, these oil slingers  I believe were dropped in the later fans.  I don’t know the date, perhaps after 1898 or so?

Here’s a picture I just found without the slinger. There was no date reference. 
 

[Russ Huber]

Edison 6-Blade Fan (edisontinfoil.com)

 

Edited September 19, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

Edison 4-Blade Fan (edisontinfoil.com)

[David Kilnapp]

Thanks Russ. This is the first time I've seen the oil slingers on an Edison. My '03 Edison doesn't have them. I'll be saving the picture in the link you posted.

[Michael Rathberger]

Dennis, what kind of bearings does yours have?

[Kim Frank]

The three Edisons in the Museum do not have the "slinger". Nor did George's Edison. Don't know why you'd need an oiler slinger as they spin on ball bearings.

[Michael Rathberger]

That's what I was thinking Kim, thanks.

[Jeff Lumsden]

2 hours ago, Kim Frank said:

The three Edisons in the Museum do not have the "slinger". Nor did George's Edison. Don't know why you'd need an oiler slinger as they spin on ball bearings.

First, with oil holes and drain plugs...

 

versus the second pic...

[Russ Huber]

1 hour ago, Jeff Lumsden said:

First, with oil holes and drain plugs...

 

 

 

 

How many hours between oil changes? No oil filter? 🙂

[Dennis Back]

7 hours ago, Michael Rathberger said:

Dennis, what kind of bearings does yours have?

Michael, could you please tell me how to tell the difference?  I'm new at this. This is mine below.

Edited September 19, 2024 by Dennis Back

[Jeff Lumsden]

1 hour ago, Dennis Back said:

Michael, could you please tell me how to tell the difference?  I'm new at this. This is mine below.

 

Here's where to look - bearings and how the front bearing is attached/housed...

 

[Dennis Back]

36 minutes ago, Jeff Lumsden said:

 

Here's where to look - bearings and how the front bearing is attached/housed...

 

Jeff, the fan on the left looks like mine.  Do you know which bearings are on that fan?

[Jeff Lumsden]

43 minutes ago, Dennis Back said:

Jeff, the fan on the left looks like mine.  Do you know which bearings are on that fan?

Left = Ball

Right = Self-oiling

[Russ Huber]

Starting in 1897 they began doing tests to redesign the motor (armature) and eventually implemented them gaining RPM. The ball bearings were introduced in 1898 and used forward gaining a tad more RPM. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

6-Pole armature Edison Battery fans date 1892-96. Notice the oil slinger. The spring hung Osdene example with 6-pole motor in the fan gallery has oil slingers. The Pacinotti ring armature was implemented to replace the 6-pole armature spring of 97 based on more battery life and higher RPM. I don't understand how some of you people date your Edison battery fan to a specific date.  I just see then falling into a specific timeline. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

The Pacinotti ring armature was implemented in 1897, and the ball bearing Edison models hit the market for the 1898 season. Notice the oil slingers on the 1897 Pacinotti armature model image below. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Russ Huber