Martin Carena-Santiago Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 (edited) I think this one takes the cake for the most I've done for a fan (for now). Woke up at 4am and drove 10.5 hours through 4 states for this one. Something with a Ming blade has been on my bucket list for a while, the fact that it's a DC is just a huge bonus. It's crusty and has some old dauber nests, but complete and the only physical damage I can see is the broken oscillator linkage, which is not original to the fan anyway. This one's going to be quite a project, really excited to tear into it but for now I'm going to bed as I have a long drive home tomorrow. 😂 Edited December 28, 2024 by Martin Carena-Santiago 6 Quote
Michael Bouthiller Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 Beautiful Eck Martin that would look beautiful when restored and running!!! 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 Eck Dynamo appears to fall off the map in 1924. The first AC or DC 16" Eck with "Symmetrical" (pizza slice) Ming blades was placed on the market in what specific year? Quote
Martin Carena-Santiago Posted December 28, 2024 Author Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: Eck Dynamo appears to fall off the map in 1924. The first AC or DC 16" Eck with "Symmetrical" (pizza slice) Ming blades was placed on the market in what specific year? I only had an idea because of your past posts I read on these fans, you mentioned the 16" DC had the symmetrical wing advertised in 1919, and 1920 for both AC and DC. I find these fans fascinating and after having one potentially within my grasp I spend most of the last 2 days browsing the forum topics on them 😂  I am curious as to if the Ming blade was used beyond 1920, I also saw you mention in that same post that after 1920 the mention of it disappeared in the electrical trade. They must have had at least some stock that lasted them into 1921, unless it really was such a limited production? Edited December 28, 2024 by Martin Carena-Santiago Quote
Michael Rathberger Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 If memory serves that last patent date on the tag is the Ming blade patent... Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Martin Carena-Santiago said: The 16" DC had the symmetrical wing advertised in 1919, and 1920 for both AC and DC. I am curious as to if the Ming blade was used beyond 1920, I also saw you mention in that same post that after 1920 the mention of it disappeared in the electrical trade. I view the use of the ming blade starting in 1917 by Eck Dynamo as an attempt to get fan motor sales back in competition with the other manufacturers. My impression is it was a lame attempt that failed. There was an economic slump in 21 that probably took the rest of the wind out of Eck Dynamo's fan motor sails/sales. Edited December 28, 2024 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said: If memory serves that last patent date on the tag is the Ming blade patent... Witnesses:Â Mary Wallace was the ECK Dynamo CEO's wife, Axel Beeken was Eck's long term patent attorney. Feb. 16, 1915?? Edited December 28, 2024 by Russ Huber Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 19 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: Feb. 16, 1915?? Â Â Â 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Martin Carena-Santiago said: The 16" DC "only" had the symmetrical wing advertised in 1919, and 1920 for both AC and DC. 1919 it would appear the cut off for brass guard on the Eck models. I have yet to see a 16" AC Eck with Ming blade with brass guard. Edited December 28, 2024 by Russ Huber Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) The last mention of the "Ming" blade I can find is 1921. Notice it is listed under FAN BLADES, not fan motors. Edited December 28, 2024 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) Edited December 28, 2024 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) Â Edited December 28, 2024 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â A couple years later, Irving succeeded getting them onto Eck fans. I wonder if the Ming idea was the Eck sales department's? Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 It is kind of strange, but starting in 1907 Charles Eck was out of the country and out of the management of the US based Eck Dynamo. Starting in 07 The only thing Eck about Eck Dynamo it appears was the foundation of Eck's DC motor and oscillator design patented and introduced in 03. Eck's patented Universal oscillating fan motor manufactured under his management spanned 1903-06. Starting in 1907 under Wallace management any further changes to the DC desk fan which started in 07 were under CEO Wallace's watch. The first Eck manufactured AC model was placed on the market as an oscillator in 1913. Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 Eck's first fan motor under his management was manufactured in New York, NY. in 1896. Eck's last fan motor manufactured under his management was in Belleville, NJ. in 1906. Quote
Anthony Lindsey Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 I got this one a few years ago. Missing all the oscillator gears and had wrong blade.  It's a steel cage so it might have had a ming blade initially. Quote
Russ Huber Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 (edited) The Ming blade is validated on both DC and AC 16" models 1920-21. 1922 electrical trade supports no changes to the Eck Dynamo fan motor line. 1923-24 changes are unknown at this time. Edited December 29, 2024 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Stanley J. Lancaster Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 Does anyone have access to or a source for the main gear for the oscillator on a 16" Eck? I have one that's slipping. Quote
Martin Carena-Santiago Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 Didn't want to start another thread, so I'll just revive this one. The Eck lives! I cleaned up the armature, revarnished/rewrapped the field coils, and went through the switch, as well as fixed a few mechanical issues, and it runs beautifully. I don't think this one had a lot of hours on it before it was packed away. None of this work is permanent as I'll be completely restoring the fan in the future, but I just wanted to see it run first. Â Â 3 Quote
Russ Huber Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) So, Martin, do you think Eck Dynamo's marketing effort with the "Ming" blade lived up to its claimed expectations? Â 1917 1920 Edited January 26 by Russ Huber Quote
Martin Carena-Santiago Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 (edited) 9 hours ago, Russ Huber said: So, Martin, do you think Eck Dynamo's marketing effort with the "Ming" blade lived up to its claimed expectations?  1917 1920 Well it does what the article above claims by making the hum of the motor less noticeable, but it's a bit of a double edged sword as it really only does that by making the wind noise from the blades more noticeable. 😂 I don't really have any similar 16" fans to compare it to, but my 16" 6 wing 4 pole R&M definitely makes less wind noise. It's an unusual sound too because they're offset so you definitely pick up on it more than the sound from a regular blade. I believe that it really wasn't much more than a marketing gimmick, but it's definitely the coolest marketing gimmick I've ever spent money on! Edited January 26 by Martin Carena-Santiago Quote
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