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11 year Westinghouse 164848I


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Back around 2012 I acquired this fan from a family member and started some prep work to get it restored. Needless to say, life got in the way and this project was out into a box and forgotten until yesterday.

Luckily all of the screws, struts, and miscellaneous parts are still present. However, what is missing is the wiring diagram that I made that showed how to wire in the three wire stator to the speed coil.

I haven't pulled the end bell off of the motor to see if it is a six or four pole motor, but this is not one of the ones with a centrifugal start.

In some of my preliminary research it looks like this model was typically supplied with a four wing blade and mine has a six wing blade. I'm not sure if by 1916 Westinghouse had consolidated some of their separate model numbers or provided different motor options.

I am hoping to get the motor and speed coil tested to decide if I'll proceed with getting this back in shape or if it will become parts. I'm not really wanting to pull a stamped steel stator out - talk about a pain...

The speed coil looks a little crusty, but I seem to have a memory of it being functional. Everything ohms out alright on the meter anyways. If anyone could help me with the wiring I would greatly appreciate it!

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I always color code wires so this should be right.Green is neutral to power cord.

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Edited by Paul Carmody
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I have some research by Bill Voigt (deceased Westy expert) that shows the motor tag you picture above is for a four pole motor.   The way Bill did his survey Style numbers for fans of the same type (poles, blades on the fan) were of the same number so all 164848 Westy Styles were 4 pole.  What is actually INSIDE the case of your fan I can't say.

164848 -- 4 blade Westy osc 12 in - 100-110 V

164848B

164848C

164848G - 4 blade Westy osc 12 in (Like the one from Billl I have with sq. back ring, brass blade and tags)

164848I

164848K

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Thanks Paul, that helps a lot. Based off of the photo you provided this is what I drew up for myself. Does this look correct?

 

Now, looking at the head wire going to the stator I have new concerns about figuring out which one is the neutral and the position of the other two onto the leads out of the speed coil.

I didn't leave myself any clues and the coloring on the wires is just about gone to my eyes. They appear to be a dark red, dark green and a dirty white or possibly yellow.

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That looks to be correct.Facing your picture ,yellow, the one you thought white,left, -green center(neutral) ,-red right.

Facing your switch ,red is left top,yellow right top.I use colored tape on each loose wire so as not to mix it up as I proceed with resto.

  • 3 weeks later...
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Bumping for a new question - I tried looking on the old forum over the last week, but it has been down for quite some time now so I figured I would ask here.

I have most of the fan disassembled with various parts soaking in mineral spirits to remove some of the gunk prior to cleaning up the damage to the metal. The front pot metal  bearing came off without a hitch. On the other side of the motor housing I began removing parts from the gearbox for de-greasing. I have all of the screws removed inside of the bottom park of the gearbox removed. However, the steel neck which goes into the base / collar doesn't seem to want to budge aside from a small amount of play (<1mm).
Does anyone know how to remove this steel neck so I can get the gearbox off? There doesn't seem to be any sort of retaining clip or nut holding it on.

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The "stem" sticking out of the bottom of the motor case is held to the case with flat head slotted screws.

Edited by Mark Olson
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Update: After taking a step back and leaving the motor housing on the workbench the gearbox just came right off with the shaft! Normally I don't look a gift horse in the mouth, but it appears where the gearbox makes contact with the bottom of the motor housing was filled with a surprising amount of hardened grease / oil locking it in place. All parts that need it are now soaking in the parts washer tub for a few days.

I had intended to pull the stator like I did with the Vortalex I was working on a few weeks ago, but just looking at this I can see that it would be *very* difficult. Therefore I think that I will try to work around it as best as I can.

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Its good you got it apart. on some of those type Westinghouses the stem is held by rivets and the upper part of the gear case slips back out of a slot.

Other Westinghouse fans like that have screws holding the stem to the case from the bottom.

Yes, removing the stator can be challenging.

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