Can you ID this fan?

[Tim Babcock]

Its a Westinghouse but the tag is not among the parts. I don't know if all the parts are there or not. I got it as pictured. I have never worked on a fan like this one so to know the model will help so search for info on it.From what I found it could be a  165193 Thanks.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Tim Babcock

[Steve Rockwell]

     Blade size, is it 12-inch? Is the backside of hub finger stamped with a two-digit year number? Any more, and more-varied-views, photos?

[Paul Carmody]

Could be a

164848a.

[Paul Carmody]

If it is I have a tag on a burned out stump I could be persuaded to part with.

[Tim Babcock]

It may all be a moot point. I did not see any numbers but may be looking in the wrong place. I took the  wires from the stater and cut them back to the point where its about two inches from the back of the head. Checked OHMs and I get nothing. Cleaned the wires tried a few more times nothing. If its an issue with the stater coils I will sell it to someone for parts or look for a donor head. Steve do you have a photo of where I should look for the two digits? It is a 12 inch. Thanks for the help. The parts are mostly there. I did a quick put together and the only thing so far I found missing was one of the strut connectors that clamp the cage on to the struts. I will start looking to see if its possible to source a new donor head and here are some photo close ups.

[Tim Babcock]

Sounds good Paul. If its the right fan. I did not find any numbers on the unit.

[Steve Stephens]

Here's a photo of the date code on most Westy Tanks from about 1911 to maybe the end of the brass blades.   First one is from 1911, second is a 6 wing 1912 model but early and probably made towards the end of 1911, third one is a 16" 6 wing.

[Tim Babcock]

Yep there was a two digit code on the blade finger. 16

[David Kilnapp]

The head wires are covered by a red insulating varnish. Try using a utility knife to scrape the varnish off the ends of the wires and then check for continuity again.

[Steve Rockwell]

     For whatever the following might be worth:

 

     I think Paul may well be right about the 164848 attribution, if your fan indeed is wound for household current, though I'm confident thinking it's a somewhat later version than "A"; here are tags for the "B" version and "G" version:

     Note the dates lower left corner, within which range the 1916 hub branding fits... I don't know of 164848C, D, E, or F and suspect no such designations existed, but time and exposure will answer those questions.  also don't know of micro-dates between 1914 and 1917, so it's a matter of seeing more fans within this time span, but I'd imagine 164848B would serve as an answer.....

Edited October 8, 2023 by Steve Rockwell

[Tim Babcock]

I am cleaning the head and putting it together and putting current to it to see if it runs. I am hoping it will.

[Paul Carmody]

Here’s the tag I have.Steve knows more than I do that’s for sure.The last patent date on the end is Aug 11-14

If you don’t tell I won’t 😉.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Paul Carmody

[Paul Carmody]

I noticed the sand scratches.I hate when someone hits brass with heavy grit sand paper.So I cleaned it up a bit.

[Paul Carmody]

On 10/8/2023 at 9:48 AM, Steve Rockwell said:

     For whatever the following might be worth:

 

     I think Paul may well be right about the 164848 attribution, if your fan indeed is wound for household current, though I'm confident thinking it's a somewhat later version than "A"; here are tags for the "B" version and "G" version:

     Note the dates lower left corner, within which range the 1916 hub branding fits... I don't know of 164848C, D, E, or F and suspect no such designations existed, but time and exposure will answer those questions.  also don't know of micro-dates between 1914 and 1917, so it's a matter of seeing more fans within this time span, but I'd imagine 164848B would serve as an answer.....

Why do you think the dates are the same on the B you show and the A I have?I m glad you chimed in.I was intending to post tag for your inspection then you replied.I know you keep up with dates and tags.

[Tim Babcock]

So I spent the weekend working on the fan. I got it running but there is still one glitch. The fan will sometimes run OK then others it will run like its binding somewhere. I have checked the hub to the head hub where the blade meets the head. I removed a bit around the blade hub so there was no contact. One side was dented in just a bit. Here is a link to the video after its back up and running. I did the standard sand blast and paint, polish and repair along with new wire and plug.

 

[Tim Babcock]

The fan does this even when the oscillator is disconnected.

[Paul Carmody]

When does it occur?After running,startup? Is the blade hard to turn when it happens?

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Paul Carmody

[Tim Babcock]

The fan blade seems to turn easy. I am not sure what is going on. It seems find when I pull the worm gear that connects via slot to the rotor. It does not change when I disconnect the oscillator gear shaft.

[Tim Babcock]

I checked the amp draw and its 2.1 amps on start up then drops to .68 once its running.

[Paul Carmody]

It could be the centrifugal start is not disengaged after start up when it happens.Or struggling to start.Amps at start seems high.It may clear up after some run time, just don’t let it struggle for long it builds heat.If not you may need to clean the centrifugal.You can give the blade a good spin by hand at startup to get it going.

[Tim Babcock]

Good point. I did put a drop of oil on the levers. But I may need to do a bit more to clean it up.

[Tim Babcock]

I am having an issue with the speed coil. Does anyone have any pictures of this model fans switch and coil? Thanks

[Tim Babcock]

Never mind I found it on the old site.

[Gerry Meeks]

Hello Tim,

I attended Stan Adams' Regional Meeting on Lake Houston this past weekend. I took a fan that I bought on Ebay that showed it working in a video. When it arrived it would not run. It is a Westinghouse that looks very similar to yours. Unfortunately it doesn't have a tag on it. 

I had stripped it down and cleaned it. Stan partially reassembled it and diagnosed it as having a bent rear motor housing. As you tighten the four bolts holding the back housing and oscillator onto the motor housing, it would bind up on the rotor shaft. It turned out that during shipping it must have been dropped on the oscillator and bent in one side of the rear motor housing. As you tighten the four bolts it would bind up the rotor shaft so that it could not be turned under power or by hand. Stan hammered on the inside of the rear housing on a vice and attempted to straighten the rear housing. He was able to straighten it enough so that the rotor shaft could be turned by hand and under power. I need to work on it a little more, so that it starts every time under power. 

I want to thank Stan and the other 2-3 guys who helped diagnose and fix the problem with my fan rotor binding up. '

When I have time this weekend, I will clean the brass 12" blades and look for the markings you  show. I will let you know what they are. If anyone can help me find a badge that matches this description and the range of numbers for DOM, I would really appreciate it. I would be glad to purchase it from you. 

Glad you got your fan running Tim. If you need more detail on what Stan did for my fan, I am sure he would be glad to describe it in more detail. He seemed to be very familair with this model. 

Gerry Meeks in Houston