Paul Michael Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Jim Kovar said: Oh, what a find it would be! 'Would be'— for you! *Was* . . . for—??? 🤔🙃 Edited October 17, 2023 by Paul Michael Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 That's an amazing and ingenious guard design, short loops connecting inner and outer rings by tension and compression, the center ring without a splice Now what about the same question regarding inner and outer rings? 3 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) What do they all have in common? 1895 1896 1903 Edited October 17, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Jim Kovar Posted October 17, 2023 Author Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: What do they all have in common? Ball & socket knuckles. Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 Heinze ball pivot does not have the cut out notch for bracket feature. 1 Quote
Jim Kovar Posted October 17, 2023 Author Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: Heinze ball pivot does not have the cut out notch for bracket feature. Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 The Heinze fan motor was on the market as early as 92 offered for both alternating and direct current with the pivot feature. Tideman borrowed that feature, as did Eck down the road. The Electrical World - Google Books 2 Quote
Jim Kovar Posted October 17, 2023 Author Posted October 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, Steve Rockwell said: Steve,... are you missing some components?... 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 1895 Heinze Alternating Current Fan Images - Pre-1950 (Antique) - Antique Fan Collectors Association - AFCA Forums Heinze Alternating Current Fan Motor ~ 1895 - Pre-1950 (Antique) - Antique Fan Collectors Association - AFCA Forums 1 Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 http://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/36914.html 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) Heinze pumped out 3 assigned patents in succession to the 92 concern. I see an Elliott O. Johnson as their general agent in 93 with mention of Heinze meters, fan motors, etc. Edited October 20, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) John Heinze if you notice is not mentioned in the incorporation management of the Heinze Electric Co. concern. 1499085009530190000-00540358 (storage.googleapis.com) Heinze & Son of Lynn, Mass. Edited October 20, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 Off subject a tad, but it appears Tideman like ripping off component ideas from other fan manufacturers. Henry especially like the Holtzer-Cabot fan motors. Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Russ Huber said: I see an Elliott O. Johnson as their general agent in 93 with mention of Heinze meters, fan motors, etc. Johnson is mentioned in the 3/25/1893 Electrical World as a GENERAL SELLING AGENT for the Heinze Electric Co. I don't "so far" see Heinze Electric Co. product marketed elsewhere in electrical trade. My bet is if a Heinze fan motor surfaced, or is to surface, it would be on the upper east coast. Being they incorporated at 10K capital I think it would be safe to assume the fan motors were not manufactured in abundance. Edited October 20, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 It appears John Heinze WAS involved in the management of the Heinze Electric Co. Heinze Electric is mentioned in the 94 directory under electrical instruments, however, not under fan motors. Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Russ Huber said: It appears John Heinze WAS involved in the management of the Heinze Electric Co. Heinze Electric is mentioned in the 94 directory under electrical instruments, however, not under fan motors. I was ready to drop this inquiry after checking out the library yesterday... To nicely muddy the waters, John O. Heinze is a father/son team, as the (Jr.) implies, and I suspect that father was more involved in organizing (or financing?) the business. [I'll show later that it seems young Heinze is the one who serves as a company officer though...] Junior was born roughly 1873, and was a young man when the first patent applications were filed, and I suspect that Lynn MA shoe fortunes would have supported the young man's electrical ideas, and not his business acumen, but he must have been truly precocious... I tried tracing directory listings with reasonable success post-Lynn, but didn't perhaps pursue as diligently as I should have pre-Lynn, and I'll make another effort, considering the clues you've unearthed, Russ... I found them in Lynn 1893, 94, 96. Not located in the '92 directory, so I searched no further back, since by then I knew that they started out in Newark as of 1880, father John O(possibly Otto) listed as a machinist in the census, and John Jr. as a 7-year-old student. In some listings, junior is clearly labeled as such, and those I can relate with confidence. Interestingly though, in 1894 it is junior who is listed as president of Heinze Electric Co., and in 1893 he was manager, so my second sentence of this Post might be utter rubbish... Though Russ' excerpt of "Heinze & Son" is yet another twist? Still now, what most caught my interest is the novel cage construction, and I'd be pleased if we can learn more about the fans themselves. Considering the Heinze impact, in whatever locale they situated themselves, it's worth giving it another shot, and I'll try once again to go back to the years of greatest interest... when time permits. By 1899 they are both clearly listed elsewhere. Even as early as 1896, they appear to be listed in Lynn with outside interests, meaning that while living at 32 Houghton in Lynn, John Sr. has Boston in parentheses while Junior has Peabody in parentheses, signifying business location, that last item consistent possibly with his Standard Thermometer connection. In 1899 they both reside in Revere MA (between Lynn and Boston) and are listed as electricians, while a "John O. Heinze" also has a listing at 10 Franklin St., Cambridge, as an electrical designer, and I'll assume this to be junior. Lowell has already been posted, but there also was an effort in Boston, listed 1902 and persisting in various journals for several years, known as Oelling & Heinze, x-ray apparatus. To confirm the identity and connection, the 1903 Boston Directory lists Heinze Electric Co., x-ray apparatus (and John O. Heinze as gen. mgr., which John O.?) and to further complicate the story, in Boston 1905 John O. Heinze is listed as a camera repairer... Once again, I'm taking the liberty of assuming that this individual is Senior, but I don't know, and little care at this point... Lowell MA listings continue until 1913's with Junior "removed to Detroit", where he had previous listings as that branch of the business was developed, and by now we're well outside the domain of fan research, so it's time to rein in and concentrate on the period of their first offering electrical gear... There are more citations for Elliott O. Johnson, but I found nothing helpful to learning about the fans... The buildings in Lynn and Lowell no longer are standing..... Same listing as Warren Electric..... Edited October 21, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 My mention of Elliott Johnson only pertains in a separate 93 article it speaks of him taking a new office address and the general sales of Heinze product including their fan motors. I didn't copy the article and post it due to the poor clarity of the small wording. Not sure if Standard Thermometer Co. acted as another agency for the Heinze fan motor. I get more the impression they gained rights to manufacturing it, I don't know for fact. What is for fact is they were off the grid in 98. I am more focused on the Heinze fan motor's longevity on the market. It appears to be 92-98. If Heinze would have designed the motor for higher voltage it would have upped the chances someone might own one. Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 3.5 amps? Kinda expensive to run back then on circuit. Quote
Mel Lagarde Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 What a wonderful and educational post from all of you. Solid research on a fan I did not know existed. Thank you for running this post for all of us. Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 Here is some more to add to the complexity of the world of Mr. John O. Heinze Jr. Can't say much for the design efficiency of his 3.5 amp draw 52-volt 13" AC/DC fan motor, but gotta love his boot blackening machine. Quote
Jim Kovar Posted October 22, 2023 Author Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Drawing 3.5 amps with 52 volts applied,... the input power is... 52V × 3.5A = 182 Watts. ⅛ HP to Watts is... 0.125 × 746 = 93.2 Watts. "High efficiency"... Really? 182 W₍ᵢₙ₎... and only 93.2 W₍ₒᵤₜ₎... ≈ 50% efficiency... Where's the missing 88.8 watts of power? Edited October 22, 2023 by Jim Kovar Arithmetic error! Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 It would be nice to see how Heinze designed the fan motor. Quote
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