David Kilnapp Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Hi friends: I recently purchased an Emerson 1010 from another member. He was honest in his dealings and told me that the fan would not start on its own. I figured it was an issue with the centrifugal start. That turned out NOT to be the case. I replaced the headwire and the fan will run fine once I give it a spin. I pulled the stator and cut the leads to the energized part of the centrifugal start and put my ohn meter on the two wires. There is no continuity between the two wires. So what to do? I cut the wires to see if there was a break further up that I could spot. I chatted with Rick Powell about this and he and Chris Smith suggested that the start winding on this fan (does it have a start winding?) was fried. I haven't run into this issue before so I'm asking for some guidance as to next steps? Rewind? Look further the two wires for a break in one of the wires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 David if you have a non-obvious/elusive opening in your start winding, the stator needs to be rewound. Another skilled hands on second opinion would not be out of order. I have a 16" 08-09 BMY with this problem. Bummer for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) That's what I figured, Russ. Pity. I put power to the two headwires and then put my voltage tester on the two wires going to the centrifugal start. They should definitely be hot when power is applied to the two headwires - but alas, nothing... Edited February 28, 2022 by David Kilnapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 You are probably going to have to have a rewind, but some times you can get lucky & find a bad solder joint. Yes it does have a start winding, You should get continuity on one side of the centrifugal switch & one of the leads. If not it is probably fried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Hi Stan. I pulled back the tape and found the broken wires that go to the centrifugal start. You can see them below on the right and the left. I don't get any continuity when I put my ohm meter on each of these wires that go to the centrifugal start and either one of the head wires. Therefore, I believe that the start winding is indeed fried as you suggested. Who does rewinds on this type of stator with a centrifugal start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 You might check with Rick Huckabee, he has been really busy, but may be able to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Guegain Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just a note, I’m almost positive that all 12” pie crust Emerson’s have the same stator. Doesn’t have to be a “1010” stator… maybe Chad has one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Hi Ben. Thanks for the suggestion. I have emailed Chad but have not had a response (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Morris Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 David, I'm not sure if a 1510 stator will work, but if it will you might be interested in this item.https://www.ebay.com/itm/203677305068?hash=item2f6c1d08ec:g:~HkAAOSwGxNgcw6U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) Thanks Mike. I contacted the seller to see if he/she would provide some measurements to see if this might fit. Edited March 1, 2022 by David Kilnapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 David, do you just have a few windings open? Can you splice them? If you're lucky enough to have but a few or one open wire, they can be spliced. Been there done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Ray Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I'm pretty confident a 1510 stator will fit your 1010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 I’ll be very grateful to Mike if it does. Russ: I did find the break and was able to splice to the wires but alas there was still no continuity which seems to indicate that the start windings are bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel OToole Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Send to Rick Huckabee...support your local rewind man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) Hello friends. I took Mike's suggestion and bought the Emerson 1510 stator on eBay for about $106 including shipping. It's the one on the right below. One of the headwires had no continuity so I followed it back into the windings until I got good continuity. The two wires that apparently go to the centrifugal start copper coil that sits in the back of the case are top right. The readings on the ohm meter are 67.8 between the two head wires and 43 between the two centrifugal wires. The stator on the left (the original one) only shows continuity between the headwires which reads 30.2 ohms. There is no continuity between the two centrifugal wires nor any between the centrifugal wires and the head wires (on the stator to the left) which seems to indicate that the start windings are fried. The replacement stator (from a 1510 Emerson) on the right, slid easily into the case but alas, it would not start up at all and when I spun the rotor by hand, it would rotate, but not fast enough to disengage the centrifugal start mechanism and the stator gets very hot so I'm not sure what's going on. Any ideas? At any rate, these stators are not interchangeable I guess so a rewind is in my future. Edited March 5, 2022 by David Kilnapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Winter Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 David, Rick did a rewind on a 1010 a few years back as well as other rewinds and consistently does an excellent job 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 Thanks. Rick has done work for me. I’ll call him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 On another matter, it was suggested to me that perhaps I had the pairs of wires reversed, that is, I had wired the centrifugal wires connected to the head wires and the head wires connected to the centrifugal start. That would seemingly account for the stator getting hot. The resistances between the two sets of wires are 43 and about 68. I had the centrifugal wires attached to the lower resistance pair. Do I have it backwards? The age of the original wrappings on the apparent head wires looked original before I removed them so that suggested to me that I had the correct orientation. Opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 Good to know. Looks like I had it backwards...back to the drawing board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 HALLELUJAH!!! Thanks Chris and Mike. You were both correct. It started right up and ran perfectly!!! Wow, what a learning experience! THANK YOU THANK YOU! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Morris Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Glad it worked out for you. Congrats on your fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 Thank you to all my fan friends for great information and help!! Thanks also to Tony Clayton for excellent headwire, Rick Powell for wonderful japanning and Ron Bethoney for excellent work on restoring the cage and blade! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Ray Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 What a beauty David! Glad the wiring issue got sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kilnapp Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 I love this community! So great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan Crider Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Beautiful fan! Always awesome to find out you don't need a rewind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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