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J. Loyd Davis Fan Collection - **DIRECT SALE FAN PREVIEW**


Curt Davis

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We first plan to offer the following items each at a specified sale price for direct sale on AFCA B/S/T forum and several Facebook fan collector groups at 5 PM EDT / 4 PM CDT / 2 PM PDT on Saturday, April 15th.

1.   Curtis and Crocker (C&C) 12" 6BB Lamp Resistance Fan Outfit - Type 1N Bipolar Pawfoot 110V DC (ca. 1890)

2.   Edison 9" 6BB/BC C-Frame Bipolar 6V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1895)

3.   Robbins & Meyers 12" 4BB/BC Early Production Feather Vane Oscillator - Style 180023 (ca. 1911)

4.   Ziegler 8” 6BB Candlestick Bipolar 6V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1895)

5.   Edison 1891 Small Slow Motor 1/6 HP Bipolar 125V DC

6.   Edison 9" 4BB/BC C-Frame Bipolar 2.8V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1899)

7.   Westinghouse 13" 4BB/BC Tesla - Style 3856A (ca. 1899)

8.   Manhattan #3 Bipolar 9" 4BB/BC 3V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1900)

We then plan to list these on Ebay using the “Buy It Now” option at 3 PM EDT / 2 PM CDT / 12 PM PDT on Sunday April 16th.

So this will give AFCA members almost 24 hours in advance of the Ebay listings to purchase any of these items at the specified sale price before anyone on Ebay.

Collectively these represent nearly all of the best fans that remain in my father’s 30+year collection. We still have 100+ fans to liquidate, but we believe the vast majority of these will be in the $200-$800 price range.

Sample photos and videos are posted below for each item. There is a link provided in each item's desription to access a full set of high-resolution photos, i.e. more than just the sample photos.

All videos plus a few extra videos for the C&C are available on this you tube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JLD.fanman

Direct Sale Terms and Conditions

1.  Preferred payment by PayPal/F&F. Add 5% to the sale price for regular PayPal. 

2. Wire transfer may also be accepted, but this will take longer to process and verify payment.  So preference will be given for buyers using PayPal/F&F or PayPal.

2.   For AFCA members the sale price includes shipping and insurance to any of the 48 states. Fans are also available for local pickup in the Kansas City area.

3.   International buyers must provide a U.S. shipping address and will be solely responsible for all costs, fees, and liability associated with shipping from U.S. address to final overseas destination. We will not ship any of these items overseas.

4.   Given the sale price for some of the rarest items, we will consider offers with a 25% non-refundable down payment via PayPal/F&F and a mutually agreed upon payment plan which must be adhered to.

My brother Randy will be handling all purchases of the direct sale fans since he is the owner of the PayPal account we have been using for handling all our JLD fan sales since 2019.

If you wish to purchase an item Please text Randy's cell at 913-708-1712 for all inquiries on these direct sale fans.

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Curtis and Crocker (C&C) 12" 6BB Type 1N Lamp Resistance Fan Outfit - Bipolar Pawfoot 110V DC (ca. 1890)

**More high-resolution photos: https://adobe.ly/3K3Ojoc

A “Top 5” fan from the JLD collection and absolutely my personal favorite in the entire 30+ year collection.

The blade is a precise replica made for my dad by Alan Willms more than 20 years ago. Alan has restored C&C and many other early fans for AFCA members and his work is nothing short of outstanding. 

The original cast brass motor tag has a patent date of Dec. 21, 1886 and indicates that the Type 1N motor was designed to operate at 1500 rpm at 110 V DC. The field coils and motor windings are in excellent original condition. The insulating pieces between the brass bars on the commutator and the end cap were getting worn even though the fan was operational when I first tested it in 2019. So I replaced these with 3D printed parts made from Nylon which is very strong, flexible, resistant to abrasion, and has a melt point of 370° F. The commutator was carefully shaved on a lathe to smooth out some grooves that were present to provide better contact with the brushes. The two brushes are new carbon brushes. If I had more time I would have had two copper brushes made. If we don’t sell this incredible fan this year than I will do that in 2024 for sure.

A unique feature of this very early (ca. 1890) "lamp resistance" fan was the use of an incandescent lamp (i.e. light bulb) inserted into a Bergmann and Co. (New York) light socket affixed to the top of the motor. The very early (last patent date Sept. 11, 1888) Bergmann light socket features a brass key, a brass shell with hard rubber top, and a "tongue in groove" switch that supplies current to both the bulb and the fan motor when the key is turned to the right. When turned on the additional resistance provided by the bulb in series with the two field coils reduces the current supplied to the motor and thereby reduced the fan's rotational speed. Further, back in 1890 the speed of the fan/motor combination could be changed by using bulbs with different resistance where greater resistance decreases the motor's supply current and fan speed. Consequently, three antique bulbs with different resistance values and light intensity are included with this C&C fan as shown in the photos. An antique fuse (short circuit) plug is also included for operation of the fan w/o the antique bulbs at lower DC voltages if desired.

Two homemade oak boxes for operating the C&C fan are also included.  The small box has an antique light socket with brass shell for receiving the male screw-in plug on the power cord that attaches to the fan’s external power connectors on the right side of the motor. This is how the fan would have been “plugged in” back in 1890 since this was before two-prong electrical plugs were in use.

The small oak box has a power cord with combination two-prong + screw-in plug, also with a brass shell, that connects to another antique socket in the larger oak box. The large oak box then has a power cord for connecting to a standard 120 V AC outlet. The circuitry in the larger box converts AC to DC via a bridge rectifier and has a 0-250 Ohm potentiometer (@ 100 W power rating) to produce a variable DC output voltage. A full circuit diagram is provided in one of the photos at the link provided above. This then allows the 110 V DC motor/fan to be operated at variable speeds with all three light bulbs and the fuse plug.  See video. 

Both boxes are mounted to an oak base plate with a single antique hinge that provides easy access to the hardware in each box. In addition, there is sufficient space in the small oak box to add a bridge rectifier between the power cord and the antique light socket so that the fan could be operated directly, i.e. w/o the variable DC supply from the larger oak box, at full power by plugging the small oak box’s power cord directly into a standard AC outlet.

All power cords, plugs, and sockets on the fan/motor and both oak boxes are antique.  

Several videos of this C&C fan are provided on the @JLD.fanman you tube channel showing the variable speed operation of the fan with two different antique light bulbs (one low speed and one high speed) as well as the antique fuse.  

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Edison 9" 6BB/BC C-Frame Bipolar 6V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1895)

**More high-resolution photos: https://adobe.ly/40JT2SQ

This is the earliest model Edison C-frame featuring a 6-wing brass blade and a “bird” or “basket” style cage and the early and original cast brass EDISON MFG. CO. motor tag. Also unique to the earliest C-frames are the 6-pole motor vs. 12-pole motor on later Edison C-frames like the ca. 1899 model also offered in this set of fans for direct sale (see below). As a result this fan operates at ~6V whereas later C-frame models needed only ~3V to operate. The brass bird cage is a precise replica made by AFCA member Nick Loos. The 6-wing brass blade is also a precise replica made by either Nick Loos or Alan Willms. The field coil and motor windings are in excellent original condition. The fan has its original paint and ornate pinstriping in very good condition.

Also included is a Type Q battery jar (ca. 1900) with Edison trademark logo signature on the lid and an Edison “Special Battery Oil” bottle. The oil and cork for the bottle are new. Battery oil was placed on top of the chemical solution in the battery jar to prevent evaporation and “creeping salts”  from forming on the inside of the jar that would degrade the battery capacity.

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Robbins & Meyers 12" 4BB/BC Early Production Feather Vane Oscillator - Style 180023 (ca. 1911)

**More high-resolution photos: https://adobe.ly/3KbGNYj

This is the early production feather vane oscillator model with a flat base and, other than the power cord, is 100% original including the **ORIGINAL FEATHER**. JLD found this fan w/o the power cord, put a hardware store cord on it to see if it ran (it did), and then put it in deep storage on a shelf with instructions to his two sons “DO NOTHING TO THIS FAN!” I oiled it before shooting the video and that is the only thing I did to this fan. The celluloid feather has a small crack at the base near one of the rivets (see photos). Following my dad’s explicit instructions, I made no attempt to repair the feather or replace the power cord with an antique cord appropriate for the period. The next owner can do this.

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Ziegler 8” 6BB Candlestick Bipolar 6V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1895)

**More high-resolution photos: https://adobe.ly/3MfCAWf

This unique candlestick bipolar “combination” motor was used for “a variety of articles, such as fans, color discs, Geissler tubes, small siren discs, turn-tables, etc.” as per the Ziegler Electric Company (Boston, MA) catalogue (ca. 1895). Paint and pinstriping are in very good original condition with some wear. Field coil and motor windings are also in very good original condition. Two new brass brushes were made by AFCA member Nick Loos.

An INCREDIBLE antique 6-wing 8” brass blade with cast brass hub with great patina is the perfect complement for the original condition of the bipolar motor. Together this unique blade and motor with exposed field coils just scream EARLY ELECTRICAL BIPOLAR MOTOR!

The fan runs fine on 6V with a hand spin start of the blade (see video). I was going to replace the wires from the brushes to the external power connectors using antique wiring but just ran out of time … The new owner can do this, or if it doesn’t sell this year I will get that done in 2024.

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Edison 1891 Slow Motor 1/6 HP Bipolar 125V DC

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This early 1891 DC bipolar motor was designed by Edison to meet a growing need for small motors to replace hand and/or steam power in a variety of everyday applications. This 1/6 HP motor was used for both electric fans and as a general purpose utility motor. This VERY UNIQUE motor design features a fully-exposed Pacinotti ring armature suspended between four C-shaped magnets held in two Y-shaped cast iron yoke supports. The Pacinotti ring armature used in this motor by Edison was honored with an IEEE Milestone in December 2018 recognizing its importance in paving the way for “practical and reliable electrical machines.”

The motor is about 9.5” tall measured to the top of the armature and 6.75” tall measured to the top of the Y-shaped supports. The motor weighs 20 lbs. The brass collar on the front side of the shaft is stamped “” (see photo) which indicates that this is a horsepower (HP) slow-speed motor. 

An Edison General Electric Co. catalog from the early 1890’s has the HP slow-speed motor listed as Cat. No. 7227. According to the specification in the catalog, this motor requires 125 V DC power and operates at a “slow” 1900 rpm. This seems fast for a small motor of this era, but I guess (?) this is slower than larger Edison DC motors that preceded this 1891 small slow motor design. Technical publications of the era (e.g. The Electrical Engineer) routinely noted the small compact size, light weight, and slow speed of these motors as key features.

A bar-to-bar continuity test on the commutator indicates that ~8 out of ~41 connections to the exposed armature windings are an open circuit. Consequently, this motor does not run. I believe that with precision and care these connections could be fixed to preserve the original armature windings and make this motor operational. If we don’t sell the motor this year, then that is my #1 priority for 2024.  

 

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Edison 9" 4BB/BC C-Frame Bipolar 2.8V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1899)

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100% original condition with great patina including field coils, motor windings, cage, 4-wing brass blade with cast brass hub, brushes, paint, pinstriping, etc.  Stamped brass EDISON MFG. CO. motor tag (Serial #8176) and “Thomas A Edison” trademark signature on the C-frame in very good condition. I did nothing to this fan except oil it before shooting the video. 

Also included is a Type Q battery jar (ca. 1900) with Edison trademark logo signature on the lid and an Edison oil bottle. With a 12-pole motor only ~2.8V DC is needed to run the fan.  See video.

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Westinghouse 13" 4BB/BC Tesla - Style 3856A (ca. 1899)

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100% all original in excellent condition with great patina throughout.  1 missing cage wire. Stamped brass motor tag with the historically important 1891 Tesla patent reference for AC induction motors. Ornate fluted base is distinctive and in combination with the great patina makes this fan stand out. I did nothing to this fan but oil it before shooting the video.  Runs great on two distinct speeds and puts out A LOT of air.  An excellent original condition example of this rare fan.

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Manhattan #3 Bipolar 9" 4BB/BC 3V DC Battery Fan (ca. 1900)

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100% original condition with excellent patina including field coils, motor windings, distinctive cage, 4-wing brass blade with cast brass hub, brushes, paint, pinstriping, oak base, connection hardware, switch, etc. Impressive cast brass “MANHATTAN NO. 3 MOTOR” tag. I did nothing to this fan except oil it before shooting the video.  Runs great on 3V DC. See video.

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  • Curt Davis changed the title to J. Loyd Davis Fan Collection - **DIRECT SALE FAN PREVIEW**
On 4/10/2023 at 6:12 PM, Curt Davis said:

Details for purchasing a direct sale fan have been added to the first post.

if I am interest more than 1 item, do you open release price in different time to each fan 

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The top of the C-frame on the R&M feathervane appears to have some sort of repair where it meets the brush cover and upper pivot point. There also appears to be some brazing/repair on the rear motor cover where the cam arm is pinned to the upper cover. Randy can you confirm this or am I seeing things?

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Richard Koung said:

if I am interest more than 1 item, do you open release price in different time to each fan 

@Richard Koung  Prices for all fans will be released at the same time on AFCA B/S/T.  For FB there are multiple groups to post to.  For each FB group prices will be posted all at the same time.  But it will take a few minutes to get them posted to all the FB groups. 

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@Jim Henderson  

I am away on travel so don't have direct access to the fan.  Regarding the crack above the top of pivot point see first photo below.  Is this what you are referring to?  If so, I believe that is just paint chipping.

See second photo below for the possible brazing repair.  I see what you mean.  This is on the left side if you are viewing from the motor's back.  The same discoloration is also present on the right side as well but not as noticeable.  I don't know if this is a repair or not, but it definitely could be.  I will not be able to inspect the fan until I return very late on Sunday the 16th. 

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