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A huge thanks to the webmaster and those in the organization and management who took the time and cared enough to provide the search feature for old posts from the old website. It took me a while to get used to manipulating it. It is not as user friendly and fast as the old website, but I am impressed with the numbers of old posts you were able to salvage. A very wise choice and move. 🙂

These things are often damaged or MIA. I just got these today from Seth Anderson. Can't wait to install them tomorrow. Thank you Seth! 👏🙌👏🙌 AWESOME WORK!

Progress is being made! Should be back up and running soon!

From 1951 - The cast iron ring has a motor mounting tab integrally cast at the six o'clock position on the bottom of the mount, which the motor housing mounting tabs are installed on, and held in place of angular adjustment by a cross bolt and nut.

It's pretty much a no risk try. If it comes broke, you send it back. If it never arrives you get your money back. Personally I wouldn't have bought it because it's not worth the hassle but to say it's a scam is a little outrageous. We all know what scams look like. No one outside the fan community could describe it accurately, expecting every eBay seller to know all the nuance of every fan is ridiculous. I hope the buyer gets it safe and enjoys it, it was a pretty good deal.

Some pictures for you.

Just got talking with customer support and they noted a sudden influx of scam transaction. I won't go into detail here in case they are looking. Make sure to look over your eBay and PayPal transaction.

I finally finished restoring the Arctic Aire. I took the blade in to be chrome plated that took a month to get it back. I powder coated the motor housing, cage and base. It runs and oscillates smoothly on three distinct speeds. Tony Clayton made me the wire for it. Circa is late 30's- early 40's. Model # is unknown.

Raised my kids with antique fans all over the house including their rooms. We also heat with a wood stove. I always told them don’t stick your finger in the fan & don’t touch the stove. If they did they never said so. When they grew up & moved out, they took the fans in their rooms with them. They still use them.

Update... Got the new badge from Donald Coleman. Perfection!

Installed. Perfect fit. These are better than original. Machine bolt and nut retention vs sheet metal screw.

I have a Rolliflex camera to sell. Can guarantee you as being unfamiliar the time to figure out what I have, just like the Pancake, can’t be done in 5 -10 minutes. Unlike the pancake seller with BIN I will list as an auction and describe as best as can, but not researching it any further. Someone unfamiliar with an old fan see it as an old fan. It would take much longer than 5-10 minutes to figure out what they have.

It sat forgotten in the garage, collecting dirt and dust since I bought it at an antique store during the Clinton administration. I took it all apart, rewired it, cleaned, scraped, and sanded it back to life. Then I painted it with a new vibe, because sometimes even an old fan needs a fresh coat of something to remind it there’s still purpose in this world other than to just sit around and collect more dust for the next 20 years.

Further examples.

Color can be lighter as well.

Here's the more. A supply wire done in the same Edison feild wire styling.

FWIW I have pulled those brass stator shims out in past and not have to reinstall them. When you reinstall the stator and the rotor you can actually see with the naked eye if the rotor is to snug against the stator on one side and leaving more space to the opposite side. If your eyes aren't very good use a magnifying glass. 🙂 I keep the shims as I have also had to drive one in to center the rotor in the stator.

I know I have not posted here in a while but I really have not had anything actually worth posting. Well this is the first fan I have picked up in a few years in the wild. I got it from a local estate sale. It an 8" Menominee. It runs great on all 3 speeds. The only thing I think is not original is one black brush cap. I do have a couple questions about it. Does it use Vaseline instead of oil? I don't see any oil wicks? Also what are the set screws under the oilers on the front and back for. I just want to know if there is anything I should look out for before I take it apart for cleaning. Also how old o you guys think it is? A guy on Facebook says 1914 to 15

Not sure about the colored paints, but I did use their 2k clear a year back to finish a motorcycle tank. Was very impressed with the stuff, it evened out very well on its own and left a very glossy finish.

At the first meeting of the AFCA, we had many speakers. Dan Leach said “How many of you collect old fans because you admired the shimmering blades when you visited Aunt Minnie?” Half raised their hands. Then he asked “And how many of you collect fans because you stuck your fingers in those blades?” The rest of us raised our hands.

Picked these up today off facebook marketplace. The GE is the less common bronze finish. It needs some cage welds repaired and a good cleaning but looks nice under the dirt. The Gilbert is a fan I already have, however I have never seen the Kesso brand before. Also needs a cleaning, the oscillator is siezed and it needs the horrid paint on the cage removed but is otherwise very nice.

So, were you expecting... [?] or

The title is very misleading.

Scammers?……Jealousy?………the world will never know.

That is a beautiful paint! (I'm probably more partial to it since it's a Chrysler paint code). One trick I have done is wax all of the fan parts before assembly. Easier to wax plus it gives it a layer of protection against minor scuffs.

These were actually the first Seth Anderson created from my originals. Flawless fit. For those of us in need they are pricless. These are so much better than original. Machine bolt and nut retention vs sheet metal screw. This has ignited my desire to get back to pursuing the gold logo atop both the 16 and 10 inch hassock. Amazing work! 👏👏👏Thanks Seth

I was under the impression all Emerson 12 series were 104 volt. Is that incorrect? Found this 12646 and it’s 115v. I thought maybe it was a factory rewind or something but the tag is not “over-stamped” like I would think would be the case. Regardless….pretty stoked to have one of these that I maybe don’t really need to worry about using a variac with. Anyhow….its in pretty great original condition aside from some rust only the rib base. Cage doenst have a single broken s wire. Likely going to leave it patina’d.

Unfortunately, I sleep around and have different fans every couple weeks.

Team work makes the dream works 💪 guys. Congrats 👏

I appreciate Mark resurrecting this post. I made a second daring attempt to remove the pivot this time with a drift punch and got it out. As you can see the plug has a slotted end inside which gave me the impression it was threaded in. I inserted a drift punch wide enough to clear the threaded hole and gave it a couple hard whacks and out she came. Seth's pivot could be made to work on this earlier Dayton type 67 12" model, but as you can see it is a different animal. I am thrilled it came apart intact.

I've been looking for an example of each of these for my collection for a while now, pretty great to score both within a day of each other. The Gilbert completes my trifecta as I have the Aristocrat and streamlined Airflow models as well. Biggest issue is a missing cage clip on the Emerson, otherwise they're both complete and run. They'll get full teardowns, new wiring, grommets, felt, etc as well as a cleaning and polish. They both look like they'll clean up well under the dirt.

It was one of the belles at the ball. There are a few I’ve heard of, but they’re not plentiful. If you’re going to tell Martin about the Gilbert pedestal, you can’t forget the circulator!

FWIW....another method that may help is to heat the winding with a hairdryer to make the older stiff winding more pliable for a little more give.

You are referring to a Title as 1 speed. That is not the description. Just like you used a title on this forum “Who bought this scam” You said it was “very sketchy listing and seller.” Your justification was : Low feedback, no other antiques, grossly inaccurate description. Low feedback- not uncommon. Everyone starts at zero and many sellers use as platform to get rid of random items. No other antiques - that does not justify anything and certainly not that this is a scam. Grossly inaccurate description - as explained already how description was written. Title may say one speed vs description as three but that is not grossly inaccurate. Keep in mind seller did add asterisks to illustrate needs cleaned up and clearly stated not tested. You are claiming this is a scam and is sketchy without justification. Why did you feel need to post this to the forum? It is a decent parts listing. You seem to complain a lot about random eBay sellers and listings. The closer I look at listing it is more of a parts fan listing. Guess you just bitter someone else bought it.

Tom, in hot humid Houston, the first day of school, we would line up an hour early at the front doors. As soon as they unlocked those doors, it was a sprint to find your name on your class & grab a window seat (all while the teachers were hollering stop running). That window seat was a prize for the small breeze you sometimes got. The teachers all would take the 22" Windmaker & point it to the ceiling & say "this way it circulates the air so all enjoy it." No, it blew that hot air down from that 16' ceiling, I was a kid & knew better than that!

Yes, its overkill. Just think of how many thousands of brass blade 1920s-early 30s Emerson 29646 models that have surfaced that still run and oscillate with the old goop still in the gearbox when found. Many of them saw hours and hours of operation in their service time, yet in many cases the gears still mesh within reason, and the fan still oscillates. The fact that the old factory goop you dig out of the gearbox did a sufficient job is the fact that 90+% of these fans still oscillate 100 years later. Think about it. 🙂 So, if the old goop in the gearbox preserved the oscillator gear mesh all these years down the road, it would make sense that some to date wheel bearing grease, tacky or not, will be a hell of an improvement over the old factory goop you're replacing. So be it Red & Tacky, Amsoil racing grease, marine grease, modern wheel bearing grease, etc. grease, your gears will love it. 🙂

Would the world come to an end if they weren't? For a good couple of handfuls of members here it would. 🙂 I stopped Steve from drilling the holes with his drill press because his chuck has too much play, to risky to go off center. I am taking them to a machine shop for drilling the holes. I have two more sets to cut and form. I am going to look into rounding those edges. I want people to sleep well at night. 🙂

Lane, I have been using DUCK brand friction tape. It has no holes in it like the Ace Hardware brand. It provides good coverage and Very sticky. Just throwing this out if you are not satisfied with the others mentioned. 👍 https://a.co/d/8LSvZiL

3M 1755 is what you are looking for, and it is available from many sources. Temflex is just a trade name and does not indicate the product type (3M 3407NA is not the same, as you already know). Here is but one source out of hundreds: https://www.amazon.com/Electrical-Markets-Division-Temflex-Friction/dp/B0DK75KX6N 1755

I messaged that auction and asked them if a magnet stuck to the motor housing and base and the response was it did not on either fan. Is the pancake brass?

This is a fan I received for my birthday about a month ago. It was only produced for one year, being 1941, which makes them not so common compared to other variants of the strap fan. Out of the ones I own of this style, this is definitely the best built out of the strap fans, which makes it sad that it was produced for so shortly. I got this one professionally re-wired at Chestertown Electric (again, very great place to visit if you’re in the area) so it had the best chance becoming operational again. Finally glad to have one of these! They are very nice runners. Also, since the Info tag is hard to read, here it is typed out: “50-60 CY 110-120V, CAT. FM12S1, SPEC 272867-1, AMP 0.7, U.S. PAT 1957237, 1965668 The first patent is for the “quiet blade” design, and the second is for the “Strap” adjustment/support found in this and all future variants of this fan. I also should mention that I have its 10” stationary little brother (model FM10S11), which is my current profile picture (higher quality image of it below) Unfortunately, its base is broken, but otherwise it is in great condition. I didn’t think this one necessarily deserved its own post, so I grouped it in here.

I purchased an old bench motor off eBay once with an Emerson look to it, pulleys on both sides of the motor. Got the seller to take it apart & the motor had an intact autostart switch in the back. Then the tag on top of the motor....Type 1020, locating it historically between the PI242 & 11/1220. Thats now a complete fan thanks to the magic of J. Bravi and Pukalani Bill. Parts are available to revitalize an 1120 Emerson out of that bench motor. Don't give up on it.

After months of lunch periods spent on this. It is back together! I used rustoleum hunter green for the paint. Paint didn’t come out as nicely as I wanted it due to the holes from the sanding revealed how mediocre the casting was, some filler and it she was good to go! Still got to finish polishing.

They made that wall bracket with and without a hole for the switch.

It looks much happier!

It will hopefully be done in time to be displayed at the Jersey meet!

As time has gone on, I have kind of fell in agreement with Stan Adams use of common bearing grease. The greases we have today far surpass the goop they were using back then just to put it simply. I believe the tackier the better. I have witnessed this tacky feature on more than one grease. I have used Amsoil synthetic marine grease which is tacky. It is designed to stand up to not only high torque but moisture. That is a hell of a lot more than a silly little fan motor gearbox has to deal with. On top of that how many of these restored fans are running 24/7? 🙂