Louis Luu Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 I was recently discussing with a member about creating 8 inch gearbox in brass for all them pot metal box. Member told me the lower portion of the gearbox is cast as one piece with the back of the motor. Today, I received one that has a fully detachable gearbox. Does anyone know of the models with fully detached gearbox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 36 minutes ago, Louis Luu said: Member told me the lower portion of the gearbox is cast as one piece with the back of the motor. Have the member post a picture of this integral gearbox Menominee example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: Have the member post a picture of this integral gearbox Menominee example. I will post a picture of my two I have at home with the gearbox. I had thought all of the 8 inch had full detachable gearbox? These are fun little fans and easy on the budget when the box is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Louis Luu said: I will post a picture of my two I have at home with the gearbox. Just forget it, I just breezed over 1918-19 Menominee fans in electrical trade. Starting 18 Menominee announces 8" oscillating types with die cast motor housing and gearbox. In 19 Menominee specifies a slight alteration to the 8" oscillating types 129 and 155 have a die cast motor housing/gearbox. My impression for 19 is both housing and gearbox became integral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 Type 129 with detachable gearbox. Obviously missing a lot of parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Louis Luu said: Type 129 with detachable gearbox. Obviously missing a lot of parts. That one dates no later than 17 and should have a cast iron gearbox. The 8" type 129 should have brass blade and guard. The 8" type 155 was introduced in 1917 with steel blade and guard. Both models were sold separately 1917-19. Edited May 3 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Atkinson Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) C'est moi. The Menominee 129 from my haul of a couple years ago has a shattered and broken gearbox (first two pictures). So, I bought a little TEMCO 560 which needs a new top for its gearbox, but also to use its back half as a model for the 129. They appear nearly identical in design. Edited May 3 by Evan Atkinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 When Henry Tideman took off to Cairo in late 1919, he was still calling the shots at the newly incorporated Menominee Signal. He was Chairman of the board at Signal when he left for Cairo and remained so. Henry told Signal management that they could not make fans like his. This is supported by validated ephemera I received from a Tideman descendant. Darryl Hudson's website had (past tense) Menominee history written by and reported to Loren Haroldson in past as I understand from Mike Breedlove who visited with Signal Employees in the past up in Menominee. I see what appears to me that the Menominee history Loren shared was removed from Darryl's website. It presently states "updates coming soon". I gained the mentioned information through message with Loren years ago. Loren stated Mike had reported to Loren there was a 5-year agreement that Signal could not make fans. This was not valid. This is one of the disadvantages of gaining fan motor history by trusted word of mouth. I myself have had to learn hard lessons through the years reporting fan motor history factual through valid documentation. I have made many mistakes posting in past, and at times, at present. I certainly mean no disrespect to Loren, Darryl, or Mike Breedlove. I miss Loren Haroldson as he was always straight up about his findings and faults. He had a very personable approach to the fan manufacturers he sleuthed. Long story short, Henry Tideman held the reigns to Menominee fan motor design and manufacture from his Menominee, MI. departure in 19, and the following 1920-21 seasons in Cairo, IL before Henry resigned his chair in Oct. of 21. He may well have kept similar fan motor designs left at Menominee in 19 and implemented them in the following 20-21 seasons at Cairo, IL. His engineer son William was in charge on the floor at Cairo up until late winter 21. Those late teens Menominee fan motor designs and early 20s may well be William's engineering. Darryl is in charge as I witness it in the Fan Collector Mag. for Menominee history. It has been many years he has been in charge. I look forward to his numerous years of compilation of the factual Menominee history on his website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 Type 155 with detachable gearbox. I have another where the lower portion and back motor is a single unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 Evan....here is both of mine Type 155. One has the detachable gearbox and one is cast directly to the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Is this type 155 gearbox cast iron or pot metal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 4 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: Is this type 155 gearbox cast iron or pot metal? Cast iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Just now, Louis Luu said: Cast iron. It dates 1917 manufacture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 These are very nice little fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1918-19 Manufacture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Menominee fans 1918. There is no doubt after I reread the both the 1918 and 1919 electrical trade articles submitted by Menominee/Tideman Electric that the die cast (pot metal) integral motor housing/gearbox was implemented in 1918. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 In 1919 the integral die cast motor housing and gearbox was maintained, and improvements made to the gearbox gear drivetrain. Notice round tip brass wings were implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 The stationary type 150 introduced in 1916 and its oscillating partner the type 155 introduced in 1917 were Menominee's bottom line steel blade and steel guard construction residence 8" desk fans until the move to Cairo, IL. late 19. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Eshenbaugh Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 This 8in. has a cast iron detachable gearbox, steel blade and guard, flat oscillator arm, and no “TYPE” number on the brass tag. I read a post that pictured this fan and stated that the Staghorn 8in. for 17 had steel blade and guard. So, did this fan become the “TYPE” 155 at some point in 17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwin Costello Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Hey Louis, great fans! Are you thinking about making Menominee badges for either of the fans? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 5 Author Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Darwin Costello said: Hey Louis, great fans! Are you thinking about making Menominee badges for either of the fans? Just curious. I can. Those are not time consuming. Will get back to you....ordering parts right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 4 hours ago, Bryan Eshenbaugh said: This 8in. has a cast iron detachable gearbox, steel blade and guard, flat oscillator arm, and no “TYPE” number on the brass tag. I read a post that pictured this fan and stated that the Staghorn 8in. for 17 had steel blade and guard. So, did this fan become the “TYPE” 155 at some point in 17? Can you please share a close-up clear image of your base tag? Yes, your fan was introduced in 1917 as the type 155. No question about it. The type 155 was on the market 1917-19. Yours MAY well be an early 1917 model based on your oscillation linkage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Menominee it APPEARS started using type numbers to clarify fan models around mid-teens. Aside from the new clamshell introduced in 1916, the rest of the Menominee fan motor line remained brass & brass using brass staghorn guard supports. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Eshenbaugh Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 23 hours ago, Russ Huber said: Can you please share a close-up clear image of your base tag? Yes, your fan was introduced in 1917 as the type 155. No question about it. The type 155 was on the market 1917-19. Yours MAY well be an early 1917 model based on your oscillation linkage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Eshenbaugh Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Bryan Eshenbaugh said: This has the 5 number serial number followed by XO and no space for the type #. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.