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Russ Huber Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 (edited) Can anyone identify the fan? 'Steve Brodie in His Bar, the New York City Tavern' Photographic Print - American Photographer | Art.com Edited May 9 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Andersen Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Id say it's an 1890s pancake of some type. The blade profile matches. You cant really see it but there are distortions in the blades probably where the inner ring of the cage passes in front of them. That diameter looks similar to pancake cage then. I think it is a fan like this 1898 one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 17 minutes ago, Trevor Andersen said: Id say it's an 1890s pancake of some type. The blade profile matches. You cant really see it but there are distortions in the blades probably where the inner ring of the cage passes in front of them. That diameter looks similar to pancake cage then. I think it is a fan like this 1898 one. If you take a closer look at the fan using the enlarging feature in the link provided, pay closer attention to the fan being what appears to be a "tilt". 'Steve Brodie in His Bar, the New York City Tavern' Photographic Print - American Photographer | Art.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Lindsey Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 There's a previous post on that fan with better pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 16 minutes ago, Anthony Lindsey said: There's a previous post on that fan with better pictures. Please post the pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 I am not 100% on this but studying the fan using the enlarging feature on the image in the link below, the fan appears to me to be at a tilt. The other thing I see off to the right of the bottom right wing is what appears to be a pole winding. 'Steve Brodie in His Bar, the New York City Tavern' Photographic Print - American Photographer | Art.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: I am not 100% on this but studying the fan using the enlarging feature on the image in the link below, the fan appears to me to be at a tilt. The other thing I see off to the right of the bottom right wing is what appears to be a pole winding. 'Steve Brodie in His Bar, the New York City Tavern' Photographic Print - American Photographer | Art.com Still don't understand how this is supposed to tilt back and forth. Or is it rotating around a pivot point? Edited May 9 by Louis Luu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 12 minutes ago, Louis Luu said: Still don't understand how this is supposed to tilt back and forth. Or is it rotating around a pivot point? Google Patents US494978 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Russ Huber said: Google Patents US494978 Thank you. I'll save for this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Louis Luu Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: I've sent the patent description to my physics friend. She is way smarter then me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Atkinson Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Russ Huber said: I am not 100% on this but studying the fan using the enlarging feature on the image in the link below, the fan appears to me to be at a tilt. The other thing I see off to the right of the bottom right wing is what appears to be a pole winding. 'Steve Brodie in His Bar, the New York City Tavern' Photographic Print - American Photographer | Art.com I was going to guess Crocker-Wheeler as well, based on the zoom. Looks like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Got a quick response for the tilt. Something to do with realigning center of gravity base on equilateral triangle.....reason for the tilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 The fan is rotating around the pivot point according to this picture. The center of mass would be difficult to get correct and have it properly rotate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Russ Huber Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Please let us know when you get done reproducing it, Louis. Would love to see a C-W chunk of iron spin in circles. I wonder how long the moving components could hack the weight of that motor leaning off center before it wears out and comes down like a meteorite to the floor. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Russ Huber said: Please let us know when you get done reproducing it, Louis. Would love to see a C-W chunk of iron spin in circles. I wonder how long the moving components could hack the weight of that motor leaning off center before it wears out and comes down like a meteorite to the floor. 🙂 Will get to it when my C&C Outfit fan arrives around Christmas time. I need something to model it after. I was mistaken about the fan's operation at first. I had thought the fan swung back and forth from side to side like a pendulum.....I thought there is not way that is possible. The rotation will need some sort of bearing to improve the spinning....doable. The center of mass will be tricky. The portable battery fan is coming along. I have gathered all the necessary materials and will be drawing up the frame. I got some magnet wires from George Durbin to toy around with. I will need to drag out my winder. Today is my last day from heavy work. Currently working on the Magneto/Dynamo to keep me distracted. Also, need to finish up the Simplex table drawing. I intend to make a smaller version for small toy fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 14 hours ago, Louis Luu said: The fan is rotating around the pivot point according to this picture. The center of mass would be difficult to get correct and have it properly rotate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 C-W had two 360 revolvers in the spring of 1892. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 Barnum & Bailey office. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 8 hours ago, Russ Huber said: C-W had two 360 revolvers in the spring of 1892. Emerson's revolver a year later... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Jim and Russ. Thank you for this picture. This was the picture I needed...side view. This will give me some clue for how to model the fan. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Russ Huber Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Louis Luu said: This was the picture I needed...side view. This will give me some clue for how to model the fan. Thank you. This operates on the same fan motor tilt principle as the desk model. It would be easier to construct. Edited May 11 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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