16" Jandus Wire Mount Fan with GE Motor

[Liem Nguyen]

I bought this 16" Jandus Wire Mount SB/BC Fan with a GE motor recently. What has puzzled me is that most wire mount Jandus fans of which information is available on the market/Internet are those of 12" size. Most 16" ones that I found are of Jandus C-frame models. There's only one wire mount example (found on the old AFCA site https://afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=39393&forum_id=2&jump_to=342708) that was of the 16" size but that one has an Adams-Bagnall motor tag. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Edited November 7, 2023 by Liem Nguyen

[Russ Huber]

Is that a centrifugal start mechanism motor?  Jandus Electric Co. was absorbed by Adams & Bagnall after fan motor season late 1910.  Jandus Electric Co. tagged wire mounts would date 1909-10. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

16" Jandus Electric Co. GE centrifugal start motor.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Russ Huber

[Liem Nguyen]

13 hours ago, Russ Huber said:

Is that a centrifugal start mechanism motor?  Jandus Electric Co. was absorbed by Adams & Bagnall after fan motor season late 1910.  Jandus Electric Co. tagged wire mounts would date 1909-10. 

I don't think it's a centrifugal motor. There're 3 wires coming out off the motor with Ohm readings very similar to those of GE BMY motors.

[Russ Huber]

40 minutes ago, Liem Nguyen said:

I don't think it's a centrifugal motor. There're 3 wires coming out off the motor with Ohm readings very similar to those of GE BMY motors.

It probably is. Jandus started using AC GE BMY motors in 1909 in their newly introduced wire mount trunnion. In 1909 GE was specifically using centrifugal start mechanism desk and bracket fan motors. What I am trying to make sense of is Jandus Electric Co. fans manufactured in 1910, as in late 1910 Jandus was absorbed by Adams & Bagnall. It was not until 1911 the GE fan motor bulletin announced the elimination of the centrifugal start mechanism in their fan motors. Yet, in 1910 GE flat top mount strut desk & bracket fan motors included early season centrifugal start models and what appear to be later 1910 season 3 wire head cord phase shift start models. This could be the slot of time your Jandus Electric Co. 16" desk fan was made? 

Notice the 1909-early 1910 Jandus Electric Co. 16" model I posted above has the earlier 2 wire head cord centrifugal start motor with PROFILE struts. Jandus beat GE to the use of the profile strut.

[Steve Stephens]

 

While most Jandus fans seem to have brass blades, this original one had steel blade which I have seen on other Jandi.   While there are profile struts on this fan they are of a lighter weight and a slightly different design I think than the GE 1911 struts.  This fan has gone on to another owner.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Steve Stephens

[Liem Nguyen]

4 hours ago, Russ Huber said:

It probably is. Jandus started using AC GE BMY motors in 1909 in their newly introduced wire mount trunnion. In 1909 GE was specifically using centrifugal start mechanism desk and bracket fan motors. What I am trying to make sense of is Jandus Electric Co. fans manufactured in 1910, as in late 1910 Jandus was absorbed by Adams & Bagnall. It was not until 1911 the GE fan motor bulletin announced the elimination of the centrifugal start mechanism in their fan motors. Yet, in 1910 GE flat top mount strut desk & bracket fan motors included early season centrifugal start models and what appear to be later 1910 season 3 wire head cord phase shift start models. This could be the slot of time your Jandus Electric Co. 16" desk fan was made? 

Notice the 1909-early 1910 Jandus Electric Co. 16" model I posted above has the earlier 2 wire head cord centrifugal start motor with PROFILE struts. Jandus beat GE to the use of the profile strut.

Thanks Russ for the very interesting information! So my fan was most likely manufactured during a very short time period of late 1910 when Jandus was undergoing the takeover by Adams & Bagnall and GE was shifting its production from centrifugal start motors to phase shift motors. Starting 1911, the Jandus name would probably have been removed from the motor tag?... I guess it must have been a very hectic/exciting time for the companies involved. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Liem Nguyen

[Liem Nguyen]

1 hour ago, Steve Stephens said:

 

 

While most Jandus fans seem to have brass blades, this original one had steel blade which I have seen on other Jandi.   While there are profile struts on this fan they are of a lighter weight and a slightly different design I think than the GE 1911 struts.  This fan has gone on to another owner.

 

My fan also has steel blades with brass plating finish I think. True that the profile struts on these Jandus fans are slightly different in design from those of GE fans. 

[Russ Huber]

Once again, GE announced dropping the centrifugal start mechanism in the 1911 fan motor bulletin. AB/Jandus had to more than likely OUTSOURCE another centrifugal start motor for the gyros and would have used them for the AC desk fans starting sometime between 1911-20. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Russ Huber

[Dave McManaman]

Glad a member got that one. It was one of three I was chasing at that auction. Congrats!

[Liem Nguyen]

57 minutes ago, Dave McManaman said:

Glad a member got that one. It was one of three I was chasing at that auction. Congrats!

Thanks Dave! 

[Russ Huber]

The president of the Jandus Electric Co. Jotham Potter died suddenly of a heart attack on Feb. 11, 1910.  By the end of that year the Jandus concern was purchased by Adams & Bagnall.

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Russ Huber