Tim Babcock Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I ran across this at an antique store. This is not the exact fan, I pulled an image from the net. But its in good condition and I don't see any thing missing. The only issue is that when its plugged in it wants to turn and goes about an inch and just hums. Also when I turn the blade by hand while its humming it does not start up. So it may be wired wrong. Not sure of the issue. It was offered to me for 40 dollars. I think that is a fair price. Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 I took this fan apart and before I did I could only get it to hum. It wanted to turn but then froze up. Could be the starter winding wired wrong. or something else. This fan does not look like its been messed with. Does anyone have the numbers for this motor stater wiring diagram ect and places I should check. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Koh Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Did you check the capacitor? It sounds like it may not run because it failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 No I did not. Is that the square box mounted to the base plate? What are the numbers it should read or is it for continuity? I don't have a capacitor meter. Also does the capacitor have a neg and pos side that has to be checked polarity? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 I tried setting the multi-meter to Ohms and I get nothing. I changed sides of the capacitor neg and pos and still nothing. I discharged the capacitor and tried again and no reading at all. I am assuming that means the capacitor is DOA. DO I have to source the same one from a downer fan or can I put a modern capacitor on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Koh Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Ed Teach said: No I did not. Is that the square box mounted to the base plate? What are the numbers it should read or is it for continuity? I don't have a capacitor meter. Also does the capacitor have a neg and pos side that has to be checked polarity? Thanks Yes the square box is the capacitor, it should be rated for 2mfd. Polarity doesn’t matter since it’s AC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 I get no reading on it at all in Ohms on the Multi meter. Can I replace this with a modern capacitor? Is so what rating should it have? So it should not have to be an electrolytic cap if its not polarity specific is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lane Shirey Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 You need a capacitance setting on your meter. Most less-expensive meters don’t have the setting. Just replace it. They’re less than $5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 I will replace it. I just don't know the MF UF rating. Anyone have the numbers for this fan or a link to a replacement capacitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 I found this one on eBay and I am not sure. I thought UF was a smaller unit of measurement than MFD some told me its the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 After removing the hold down bracket on the R&M capacitor I saw the writing under it. Its a 2 MFD 220v ac capacitor. The one I found above is close but I am not sure the UF is the same size as MDF. From what I understand they are the same measurement but UF is smaller increments of a MDF. So I would say that one I posted above is not compatible with what I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Koh Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Ed Teach said: After removing the hold down bracket on the R&M capacitor I saw the writing under it. Its a 2 MFD 220v ac capacitor. The one I found above is close but I am not sure the UF is the same size as MDF. From what I understand they are the same measurement but UF is smaller increments of a MDF. So I would say that one I posted above is not compatible with what I need. UF is just another way to express MFD (they’re the same measurement) so the capacitor you posted above will work as a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Thanks. I ordered the Cap. I only have one other issue I need some advice on. The neck to the head, there is one set screw I found on the side of the necks swivel. I removed it and I let it sit for a day with penetrating oil. I put a flat screw driver in-between the neck and head and it moved a bit, about 1/4 inch then stopped. I don't want to wrench on it and break the head. Is there another set screw on this model for the neck swivel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P Dempsey Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I have numerous spare parts fans if you need anything Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Thanks. I am hoping I can get that neck off without damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Hey, Steven. I have a D10 A6-01 that needs a neck pivot retaining washer...are they all the same across this style of fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 I got it off. Letting the oil soak in and then I flushed it out with carb cleaner and it came off no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this fan? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Koh Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Ed Teach said: Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this fan? Thanks. https://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/31655.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm MacGregor Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I haven’t read all of this thread, so I’m not sure but if this is a model D12A6 I have a hand drawing from 2021 when I did the fan. i will try to touch it up tomorrow so it will photograph better. I have stator ohm readings too. And yes, replacing the capacitor is the correct thing to do. It’s a 2uf at 330 volts. This fan is one of the quietest fan ever! The oscillator brass gear wears against a steel gear too. You can get that too. Best Regards, Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 Thanks for the help. I have it together. Your schematics. I am just waiting on the cap to come in the post. I did mark all the ends as I cut them colorized that and your diagram I think its correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 I am having trouble with the wiring. I got the fan wired and it ran backwards. Not sure but I know the stater is not backwards. The wiring went in to the front or the head wire comes out the front to the exit hole. I did not do anything but put the cap on with out any certain orientation. Can it be reversed and have it run clockwise? I checked the wiring a couple of times but I can not find anything where I reversed the wires. But I must have. So anyone know where to start looking? When I cut the fan apart I marked the line it and head wire where they went to and just wired it up the same way. But it could be that who ever wired it up before me did not do it correctly and I am relying on their work to be correct. Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Babcock Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 Here she is all done. Seems to run well now that I have the wiring right. The Amp draw is .30 which the tag says .37 so I should be good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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