R & M 16” tank.

[Rick Eisenbeisz]

So I’ve got a R & M 16” tank, I’m trying to get back together, first issue is the armature is turning counterclockwise and the blade that came with the tank is telling me it’s supposed to be turning. Clockwise.   Questions are, are R & M tanks supposed to turn clockwise?  I’m assuming by photos in looking at the answer is yes.  If so, how can I get this stator / windings / to turn clockwise???  Any help / comments are greatly appreciated.  Rick. 

[Ron May]

If it's a rebadged westy tank, then it should spin CCW. I can't say for sure on the 16" fans but it's likely to be the same.

[Rick Eisenbeisz]

I don’t think so. The motor tag is a R & M motor tag the cage had a flag, some of it is still on the cage. That blade is meant to turn clockwise. But it wants to turn counterclockwise.   I’m aware that all Westy tanks turn counterclockwise, but think all

R & M  tanks and lollipops spin clockwise.  
 

[Ron May]

R&M tanks and Westy tanks are one in the same. R&M simply changed the motor tag and cage badge.

 The pictures below are from the R&M tank I just finished. It runs CCW.

Lollipops do spin CW but they have a cast hub vs the stamped hub on a tank.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Ron May

[Rick Eisenbeisz]

Okay, I get it. All tanks, westys and R & Ms should run counterclockwise. Okay understood.  But an R & M Lollipop, 12 or 16 inch run clockwise, yes???

[Rick Eisenbeisz]

BTW, nice restoration on that tank. Looks great!!!

[Ron May]

9 minutes ago, Rick Eisenbeisz said:

Okay, I get it. All tanks, westys and R & Ms should run counterclockwise. Okay understood.  But an R & M Lollipop, 12 or 16 inch run clockwise, yes???

Yes, both sizes of the lollipop spin CW. Not sure why.

[Stephen Chew]

Another beautiful restoration!!!

[Ron May]

Rick, if you can, please post a pic of your blade showing the hub. I'm just curious about what it might be.

[Steven P Dempsey]

I have a couple 16" R&Ms, at least one was CCW 

[Steven P Dempsey]

this early 12" fan had the westy motor & ccw blade

[Doug Wendel]

Mine goes clockwise as you face the fan.

[Jim Henderson]

Rick. Your 16" R&M has a Westy tank motor and should spin CCW. I'm assuming your other post inquiring about a 16" blade identification is the blade from this fan. If so, you have the wrong blade and need a 16" Westy blade.

 

 

[Rick Eisenbeisz]

Thanks to all that responded to my questions.   Much appreciated.  🙏

[Jeff Rusnak]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:51 PM, Ron May said:

R&M tanks and Westy tanks are one in the same. R&M simply changed the motor tag and cage badge.

 The pictures below are from the R&M tank I just finished. It runs CCW.

Lollipops do spin CW but they have a cast hub vs the stamped hub on a tank.

OMG !! Beautiful Restoration Ron !! On my bucket list to get one.

[Mel Lagarde]

Gorgeous restoration and fan.   Beautifully done.   Great post too.   

[Steve Butler]

On 3/1/2023 at 6:35 PM, Doug Wendel said:

Mine goes clockwise as you face the fan.

Doug added a different spin to the conversation.  The direct current R&Ms are clockwise, are Westinghouse dc the same?  

[Jim Henderson]

R&M last used Westy tank motors in 1911. After that, they had their own motors. Doug's fan is a R&M motor. Also, Westinghouse DC tanks spin CCW as well as their AC versions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve Butler]

Thanks Jim, my 110 and 30v R&Ms are clockwise. I don’t have a dc Westinghouse tank to compare…..yet. Definitely on the bucket list!