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Signal Dual Winding Motor 12" & 16" Introduced 1927


Russ Huber

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In 1927 Signal it appears put out their first 12"-16" desk fans. These fans had DUAL WINDING motors for either/or alternating or direct current. 

Thanks to ELECTRICAL RECORD we now have some above average insight into Signal fans from their first fan produced in 1923 through 1928.  

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11 hours ago, Jim Kovar said:

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These unusual 12" & 16" Signal models would have had a 2 year manufacture span of 27-28. 

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On 3/27/2024 at 9:55 AM, Jim Kovar said:

Brush holder?...

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It would have to have a brush holder to operate on DC. The switch selection must have placed the fan in series for DC operation.  Son engineer William Tideman may have designed the fan as he was working for Signal until his death in August of 27. Father Henry Tideman came back to Signal to take his place. 

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           No question about it being a brush holder...

 

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Dual wound fan...

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See instructions
             on base plate...

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Clear as mud.  mad.gif.b06440e0807279564234b2b1fb3abe75.gif

Does anyone have one
    with a more legible
       instruction tag?

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                                         This it would be.     Good Easter to you.

 

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Steve, 

I am sure Jim and whoever bought the 12" example off of Etsy in 2021 for $125.00 are dying to see the switch. I myself wouldn't mind a peek at it, please. 🙂

If in fact someone actually paid $125 for the dual voltage Signal back in 2021 in the shape it was in, my bet is they watch this website. 🙂

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     Here's a little bit of help for now.  Perhaps tomorrow I can sort through things and provide more...

 

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Thanks for sharing, Steve. Signal history and fan motor line is gradually being brought to the surface thanks to 20s electrical trade and the Signal catalogues spanning 30s into the 50s provided to me by Geoff Dunaway. There unfortunately are missing catalogues early 30s.  Tideman fan motor engineering at Signal spanned 1920s up until 1934. 

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Wow !! I think there may be one of thoise fans out back. Always wondered about the toggle switch.

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3 hours ago, Geoff Dunaway said:

Wow !! I think there may be one of those fans out back. Always wondered about the toggle switch.

I hope you have it, Geoff. I am dying to know how they wound that stator. 2 years on the market (27-28) and done deal. 1929 Henry Tideman dumped the dual voltage for the AC induction 3 speed. 

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15 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said:

     Here's a little bit of help for now.  Perhaps tomorrow I can sort through things and provide more...

 

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Actually, Steve, when I was referring to the "switch", this is what I was seeking, the internals. The actual switch itself mounted on the outside of the base is as I thought it was, double-throw-center off. The switch allows 2 speeds in either the AC or DC settings. The question is how did Signal wind/set-up the motor for the AC setting in a non-universal motor wind stator? 

The Signal catalogues that I do have are credited to Geoff Dunaway. The sad part is 1930-32 and 35 catalogues are missing. The good part is thanks to the Electrical Record we have Signal fans starting with their introduction fan motor 1923-29 covered, it appears.

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Ok, thanks to Steve Rockwell, someone please wire it up and explain how they did it.  Poor Signal fans, they just don't get the respect they deserve, but, my bet a complete intact example of one of these would. 🙂

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4 wire head cord. One wire from each pole connects to a brush holder. Repulsion AC function. Series DC function.  Anyone? 

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2 head wires go into the top pole, two head wires go into the bottom pole. Look how beefy those pole windings are. The fan must have been a boat anchor to carry. So how does the dual winding work? 

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I have a gec fan that has a similar winding arrangement,   it pretty much causes less resistance in the field coils to account for the inductance of running the fan off of AC vs DC

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