Steve Rockwell Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 1888 1889 In this Forum however, it requires a good deal of attention..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) On 6/24/2023 at 5:33 PM, Steve Rockwell said: 1888 1889 In this Forum however, it requires a good deal of attention..... Edited: I am trying to dig up other support of the Tesla motor & fan blade commercially marketed in 89-90 electrical trade. Westinghouse had an exhibit in 90 boasting the Tesla motor and multiple applications (No mention of Tesla motor fan). The only reference they make of a fan motor is Shallenberger's small universal motor (AC/DC compatible) used for fan & utility (sewing) purpose. (90 book link below) The Electrical World - Google Books Oct, 4, 1890 Edited June 27, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 1/8th - 1/4 HP motors. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) They were using larger versions of the Tesla motors in mining operation and fans on 3 HP Tesla motors for mining ventilation same period. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Can someone please show me an 1890 season advertisement of this Westinghouse fan motor (image) on the market. This would be the season prior to the patented Lange fan motor. 1498402040466342987-00500400 (storage.googleapis.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted June 25, 2023 Author Share Posted June 25, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 1:06 PM, Russ Huber said: To the best of my knowledge, I believe this to be Westinghouse's first late 19th century introduction DC specific fan motor. Cool machine. No resistance wire rheostat base switch multi-speed. 1892 Catalog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, Steve Rockwell said: 1892 Catalog I bet Tesla was impressed. I would imagine you wouldn't have the 90 catalogue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1890 U.S.E.L. Fan Motor Advertisement - Pre-1950 (Antique) - Antique Fan Collectors Association - AFCA Forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) F. Henshaw & H. Finch in 01-02 articles comment on the Westinghouse fan motors 90 circa. Finch as much as said Westinghouse had a lack of commercial success (fan motor efficiency) at that time. He doesn't specify, but I get the impression he was making reference to the Lange fan motor. No specifics on the 1/8th HP Tesla AC motor with blade from them I recognized. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Russ Huber said: F. Henshaw & H. Finch in 01-02 articles comment on the Westinghouse fan motors 90 circa. Finch as much as said Westinghouse had a lack of commercial success (fan motor efficiency) at that time. He doesn't specify, but I get the impression he was making reference to the Lange fan motor. No specifics on the 1/8th HP Tesla AC motor with blade from them I recognized. Steve Rockwell, Can you post anything beyond your current posts here that validates Westinghouse placed the Tesla motor and blade pictured here below on the open market in 89 or 90 seasons? Henshaw and Finch are 2 prominent electrical engineers involved in fan motors and neither make mention of the early Tesla motor with blade commercially on the market, or its success. I am not challenging credibility; I am just seeking the facts. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Cunningham Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 I owned the one on the left from 1894. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Russ Huber said: 1/8th - 1/4 HP motors. The above didn't sit right with me when I read it. If it weren't for Westinghouse management looking in on him later in life, he may have succumbed to his last years impoverished and homeless. His intellect and focus was consumed in research, he could give a rat's rear end about a fan blade at the end of his patented motor design rotor shaft. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, Steve Cunningham said: I owned the one on the left from 1894. On the left where? Got a picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Nick tried to cook Marconi's goose for infringing on Nick's patents in 15? Nick didn't have cash to follow through. in 43 when Nick bit the big one the supreme court ruled in his favor over Marconi. Nick had issues that were not nice. That amongst a number of other mental health related issues. An IQ of 160 + made him an........asset to those who took advantage of his high functioning mind. George Westinghouse was a fine human being. He knew both ends of the spectrum. George started from the bottom and worked his way to the top. The meeting of these two minds was critical. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Russ Huber said: Steve Rockwell, Can you post anything beyond your current posts here that validates Westinghouse placed the Tesla motor and blade pictured here below on the open market in 89 or 90 seasons? Henshaw and Finch are 2 prominent electrical engineers involved in fan motors and neither make mention of the early Tesla motor with blade commercially on the market, or its success. I am not challenging credibility; I am just seeking the facts. Here, I specified the name from Steve to Steve Rockwell. Maybe Steve Rockwell can validate this fan motor on the market 89 or 90. He is good at that. I have failed. Edited June 25, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted June 26, 2023 Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 15 hours ago, Russ Huber said: 15 hours ago, Steve Cunningham said: I owned the one on the left from 1894. On the left where? Got a picture? Unless I'm wrong, this Post from one of the hyperlinks earlier in this Thread answers the question... Russ, you're using clear language, but precisely what is it beyond the clipping that you require as proof? Other similar clips announcing the fan? A dedicated, concerted advertising campaign and its literature? I was pleased to even find such an early reference while looking for origins of Westinghouse AC motors, it doesn't seem to have previously come to light... and the idea that the first public offering of the motor was of a fan does something to justify our collective skewed belief of fans being all-important--- to the electrical giants who, at that moment in time not only were struggling in the development of new technologies and bringing them to a myriad of important applications but were trying to do so in intense cutthroat competition with serious rivals, all during tumultuous economic times... I can't critique Henshaw nor Finch, but it may be worth noting that neither was a dispassionate observer of the (by-then) fan industry, both their livelihoods were linked with prominent fan companies... It seems as if those Westinghouse fan motors might not have been a great success to begin with. If it's company publicity you seek, it's likely not forthcoming, I too have searched the electrical journals; for that matter, with the background notion that the company was pre-occupied with promoting traction motors, central stations and lighting plants and their components and accessories, the company needed only offer fans to existing domestic customers through their sales offices et cetera, no need to hype in the press... I'm thinking that the Electrical World clip supports photos such as these, again from one of the hyperlinks: I think it helps fill in at least a bit more of the early story... Beyond that, I'm most interested in who is doing what in terms of producing the designs at Westinghouse, the same questions I have so much trouble answering regarding G.E... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) The AC Tesla motor was a hot Tamale at that period of time with multiple applications, and this certainly is no life and death matter. Life will go on. There are images of it in 1889, there is mention of it in 1889, It is stated in electrical trade Tesla cooled down the Westinghouse plant with them, but I can't find anything to support it being on the market. Henshaw & Finch documented their earlier observations at the turn of the 20th, this does not make their observations biblical, but their observations would be a hell of lot more credible than ours over 100 years down the road. I was on a mission yesterday to try and validate the Tesla motor with blade on the market. Steve Cunningham, I recall you posting your previous ownership Westinghouse fan motor in past. I was on a mission in the books yesterday, I did not see any "fan on the left" on this 2nd string thread, thus my question........ On the left where? Got a picture? 🙂 Edited June 26, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 4:31 PM, Steve Cunningham said: I owned the one on the left from 1894. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) Can't quite leave this one alone, yet.Westinghouse wonder boy Oliver Shallenberger had designed a fan motor compatible for either alternating or direct current in ….1890. https://books.google.com/books?id=yItMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248&dq=shallenberger+fan+motor&source=bl&ots=S50K_1Znd8&sig=ACfU3U2s8qravHn8aUun3BysX23JXv7-jQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFguaru7foAhWDWc0KHV7xBlIQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=shallenberger%20fan%20motor&f=false This side line is the above magazine article, posted by Russ in https://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/58450.html Edited June 27, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: Can't quite leave this one alone, yet.Westinghouse wonder boy Oliver Shallenberger had designed a fan motor compatible for either alternating or direct current in ….1890. https://books.google.com/books?id=yItMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248&dq=shallenberger+fan+motor&source=bl&ots=S50K_1Znd8&sig=ACfU3U2s8qravHn8aUun3BysX23JXv7-jQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFguaru7foAhWDWc0KHV7xBlIQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=shallenberger%20fan%20motor&f=false This side line is the above magazine article, posted by Russ in https://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/58450.html Your rolling golden egg infatuation caught my attention yesterday while reading. Where is Shallenberger's universal multi-purpose motor? Where did Westinghouse and electrical trade hide an image of that one? Oct. 4, 1890 Edited June 27, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Tesla's Egg of Columbus - An Engineer's Aspect (anengineersaspect.blogspot.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Russ Huber said: Where is Shallenberger's universal multi-purpose motor? Where did Westinghouse and electrical trade hide an image of that one? Two separate Oct. of 1890 articles (book links below) of the Pittsburgh exposition, each offering more information. Shallenberger's motor had strong emphasis on sewing purpose. There is strong support if you read the articles carefully that Shallenberger's brushed motor with what appears to have had rotating brush carriage speed control was marketed in 1890. It is claimed several Westinghouse motors at the 90 exposition were operating fan blades in the Electrical Engineer article. This is prior to the 1891 patented Lange fan motor placed on the market by Westinghouse. Electrical Engineer - Google Books The Electrical World - Google Books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Lagarde Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Another outstanding bit of research. Thank you for posting. I have an USELC fan motor without the blade but now I have a reference if I want one made. …., the benefits of our forums. Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) Here's what I didn't post last night, description not an image... From 3 Jan 1891 Electrical Enterprise, posted previously and elicited comment about the word "mote", which made for an easy Old Forum search..... https://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=62244 Edited June 27, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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