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Matthew Albach/George Durbin Century S3-S4 Cast Base Information


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What is the latest Century cast base S4 and S3 model serial you have on record so far? What is the earliest cast base S3 model serial on record so far? Thanks.

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  • Russ Huber changed the title to Matthew Albach Century Cast Base Information
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Let me look Russ will get back to you tomorrow midday 

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Hey Russ the earliest is 

2645 type 1 centrifuge ceramic switch 

the oldest is 8076 type 2 centrifuge fiber switch  there are total of  21 split phase s3 on the survey total of type 2 centrifuge is  6 type 1 is 15 . will type this up asap I’m sure there is more getting info Iis like pulling teeth. 

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10 hours ago, Matthew Albach said:

Hey Russ the earliest is 

2645 type 1 centrifuge ceramic switch 

Steve Stephen's S3 cast base example. And based on the Jan. of 12 motor patent filing, my impression is it was a 1912 manufacture. 

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Matthew, 

What is the latest S4 big motor serial you have to date?

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Hi Russ,

im not doing s4 survey only the split phase s3  someone is doing the s4 survey 

  • Russ Huber changed the title to Matthew Albach/George Durbin Century S3-S4 Cast Base Information
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30 minutes ago, Matthew Albach said:

Hi Russ,

im not doing s4 survey only the split phase s3  someone is doing the s4 survey 

Sorry, I didn't know that. I just peeked into a Fan Collector magazine; I see George Durbin is in Charge of the S4 department. 

George, what is the latest serial on the S4 models, please. 

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My mistake. Bill Samek is doing the S4 Century survey.

Posted
3 hours ago, Steve Cunningham said:

My mistake. Bill Samek is doing the S4 Century survey.

What is your mistake, Steve?  I recall from the past Brad Chaney was the go-to guy for Century. If I am not mistaken, I think Brad did a seminar at FF in past on Century.

I have 6 recent Fan Collector issues I haven't stashed away yet dating from June of 2024 back to August of 2023 with George Durbin listed in charge of Century S4 research. Bill Samek is listed in charge of Edison Battery, Fidelity, and Western Electric. Are you saying Bill Samek is in charge of Century S4 research as well? 

Maybe George Durbin can explain being his name has been listed for months in charge of Century S4 research.

I simply just need the highest serial number for the big motor Century S4, please. 🙂

 

 

 

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I’m no spring chick. Brad it is.

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34 minutes ago, Steve Cunningham said:

I’m no spring chick. Brad it is.

I've got gray hair too. Strike two, Steve, one more and you're out. 🙂 Maybe George doesn't like S4 research? 🙂

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There is a later serial S4 oscillator in the gallery credited to Henry Carrera. what I was looking for is an S4 that possibly exceeded the 8,000 serial.  Electrical trade has strong support of the drawn steel base implemented in 1914. As to whether it shared the market with the cast base models in a transitional manner in 1914, that is very possible.

1911 it appears were exclusively the S4 stationary big motor models. 1912-13 it appears the S3 and S4 models shared the market and introduction of the oscillator. 

If serials don't far exceed 8,000 on the cast base models, just divide that by 3 to get a rough idea of annual manufacture numbers. 🙂 

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I have never seen a cast base S-3 equiped to oscilate and the 1st generation oscillators I'v seen were all stamped steel based fans. Does that observation run true with every one else ??

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There was an old post from the past focused on the Century 6 wing 6 pole models. I tried to get it to cough up on the old forum feature here and I couldn't bring it up. 

I am not 100% if it was that post, but I was able to dig up a stationary Century S3 posted on the old forum in past that had the cast split phase centrifugal start motor housing with the cast in centrifugal contact mounting slots that had no threaded mounting holes. The fan had drawn steel base. The motor was an induction phase shift start with no centrifugal mechanism. That is a heads up in 1914 Century was a transitional year with the start of the 14-season using up old stock. 

Notice on the 1914 Electrical Record fan motor specifications it states 'cast base' under the Century listing. Yet, electrical trade announces the introduction of the Century drawn steel base in 1914. Notice that it states Eck Dynamo has not submitted their fan motor specifications at the time of the printing. So, what is listed is submitted to the Electrical Record by the manufacturer. There is little doubt in 1914 the drawn steel bases were implemented, but the start of the 1914 season for Century may have had some interesting mix of components on the fan. 🙂

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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Geoff Dunaway said:

I have never seen a cast base S-3 equiped to oscilate and the 1st generation oscillators.

The cross (+) cast iron pivot on the base appears to have been implemented in 12. Steve Stephens transitional S3 example posted above would give strong support for this. Henry's S4 posted above and here is with little doubt (my distinct impression) a 13 manufacture. 

Century would have had to reengineer to provide the smaller cast base S3 motor with oscillation. Why go through the expense, if it ain't broke, why fix it.  Plus, you need that S4 fat motor to push that gear train and all that iron back and forth. 🙂

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Edwin Pillsbury counted desk fan motor parts in his head to fall asleep at night, not sheep. 🙂

That S4 oscillator patent was mesne to Dilg, you can be damn glad Dilg passed on it. 🙂

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I gave our son an S-3 Oscillator. I think it has a cast base. Will get images next time I’m there.

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I found several posts on six wing century fans by searching "century how many blades" and the all of my search words option. I didn't go past page two.

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 "There is little doubt in 1914 the drawn steel bases were implemented,"

 

     This photo adds nothing to the story, but does serve as confirmation, if any were needed...   16 Apr 1914

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1 hour ago, Michael Rathberger said:

I found several posts on six wing century fans by searching "century how many blades" and the all of my search words option. I didn't go past page two.

The "old forum" post I am seeking has a fan posted by a guy named Trevor. It may not be Trevor Andersen. But I am clearly stating the name Trevor on one of the posts in this post. I even posted the link to the old forum post which we can no longer access. I can't get the original post from the old forum to cough up.

It appears you have talent for this. I would appreciate if you could find it on the old forum search feature here and post it. Thank you.

 

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I think I know the fan you're talking about  six wing S4 oscillator?

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How far back? I have one from Jan 2019 on old forum. You started it, quoted Henry Carrera selling fan to Trevor. I'm on phone so can't link, is that the one?

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6 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said:

I think I know the fan you're talking about  six wing S4 oscillator?

The old forum post starts by a guy named Trevor ???? with this image. It is driving me nuts. It was a good post based on 6 pole validity. This is not life or death. I wanted to try and locate an image of 1914 transitional Century I found on the old forum and posted. I could have sworn I posted it there.

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