Russ Huber Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 1909 introduction mentioned in August 1909 GE booklet #3839 with drawn steel stamped frame, brass hardware, and brass bearing holders front and back designed for 3 speeds. Edited July 28 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 (edited) Todd Mann images I took from past and posted on the new forum when I could still access the old forum. Check out the single patent on the tag. I can't make out his serial. I distinctly remember his was a brushed AC model. Edited July 26 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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George Durbin Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Not very common! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I'd bet if you took the button off that cage (don't , just saying) it'd look like a FT. Wayne dragon cage.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 8-inch GE Fan Switch. Russ, I'd guess that we're seeing GE's early effort at producing the 8-inch fan, which gained a loop and round back in its oscillating version, and profile struts by 1911. Michael's comment about the cage is astute, as is your anticipation of it... and it's about this time, circa 1909, that the fans changed from wire struts to stock, and of course there's the face-mount feature to the struts... For me, it'll have to wait until tonight to get at GE and Fort Wayne info... Fort Wayne neck hardware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 (edited) Thanks, Steve. The Fort Wayne is a different animal. The example you posted is an AC brushless induction motor. The switch would not apply to my brushed Universal motor GE example. What I bet might work in my fan is a Westinghouse 8" all brass brushed motor AC switch. Edited July 26 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Bouthiller Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) It reminds me of a Emerson North wind but its a GE Edited July 26 by Michael Bouthiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I have a few of the later all brass switch bodies if you need one. You'd just need a nichrome coil of some sort. I looked at an 8" DC GE I have and it has the later brush holder setups. That brush assembly is reminiscent of the GE pancake assemblies. I would have to say it predates the all brass for certain although my DC has a similar if not same base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Totally legit... Photo dated 5 Apr 1909... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 (edited) On 7/27/2024 at 9:17 AM, Steve Rockwell said: Totally legit... Photo dated 5 Apr 1909... The image collection you share so generously is priceless. Thank you, Steve. It appears mid to late 1909 introduction. Bulletin 3839. Wow! Fan motor manufacturers such as Dayton, GE, R&M, and Emerson had their residence 8" models introduced to the market in 1909. Westinghouse had the jump on them with their 1908 8" residence drawn brass introduction. GE introduced their 8" models in 09 in drawn steel. Edited August 16 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 Back to the original questions about the guard wires... The 1910 fans carried 6 s-wires, so the 4-wires can be considered one determining factor regarding age of these 8-inch fans... Another such factor is typical pendant oilers... Only two 1909 examples publicly acknowledged..... Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 (edited) 17 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: Only two 1909 examples publicly acknowledged..... Really? Do the math. The only evidence supporting these 09 introduction models is in the 3839 booklet/bulletin issued in August of 09. The 1909 and 1910 fan motor bulletins do not support them. The 09 Bulletin was issued in January. These 8" introduction models were introduced to the market mid to late season of 09. That would kind of limit the number of models made substantially even through a corporate giant as the General Electric. There are substantially more Emerson 8" 1500 types, R&M 9" Home fans, and Dayton 8" residence fans than the less than a handful 09 GE models that survived. Below are the links to the 09 and 10 GE fan motor Bulletins. If anyone would have a 09 GE 8", it would be Geoff Dunaway. Anyone else? I am not trying to pump the fan up. When I found it, I was quite taken back. I still am. General Electric Fan Motors, Bulletin 4632 - miSci - Museum of Innovation and Science - New York Heritage Digital Collections (oclc.org) General Electric Fan Motors, Bulletin 4719 - miSci - Museum of Innovation and Science - New York Heritage Digital Collections (oclc.org) GE 8" models introduced Jan. of 1910 are clearly stated of drawn brass frame. The DC models have even been redesigned with motor housing stator bolts seen at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. 1910 GE fan motor Bulletin. Edited July 28 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 BTW....I checked my GE stash and I had only 2 of those GE 8" all brass motor housing screws in the drawer. Perfect, no more missing screws! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 On 7/26/2024 at 1:30 PM, Michael Rathberger said: I have a few of the later all brass switch bodies if you need one. Thank you, Mike. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 (edited) 6 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: Thanks for the heads up sharing the image top left. The beveled steel washers that the bolt goes through inside the pivot were missing. One of them is what is snugged between the wing nut and the top of the base. It looked like it belonged there. Edited July 28 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 (edited) This 8" desk & bracket fan is a clear example of how the General Electric operated within each fan motor season. If it weren't for Steve Rockwell's dated shared image and the August of 09 electrical trade article clearly stating a bulletin #3839 was being issued for 8" fans for residence and telephone booth use, how could you know? I have scanned and scanned 09 electrical trade to find not one image of the 09 8" residence desk fan. The latest I could find in 1909 of the General Electric advertising their 09-fan motor line was March. It still had not included the 8" models. Westinghouse on the other hand not only introduced their 8" all brass residence fan early 08, but also introduced their drawn brass telephone booth fan. GE being the corporate giant like Westinghouse jumped on the band wagon and had THEIR 8" residence and telephone booth fans marketed no later than August of 09. One of the advantages of being a corporate giant. Changes done within the year, year to year. By the time of the issuing of the Jan. of 1910 GE fan motor bulletin, GE had already redesigned the 8" models introduced mid 09 now in drawn brass frame. It appears the only hope of seeing an image of this 1909 model advertised would be in the 1909 GE bulletin #3839 issued in August if it would ever surface. This first introduction GE 8" model went to market somewhere between April and August of 1909, and was off the market between August and December of 09. Photo dated 5 Apr 1909... Edited August 1 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted August 20 Author Share Posted August 20 On 7/26/2024 at 1:30 PM, Michael Rathberger said: I have a few of the later all brass switch bodies if you need one. You'd just need a nichrome coil of some sort. I looked at an 8" DC GE I have and it has the later brush holder setups. That brush assembly is reminiscent of the GE pancake assemblies. I would have to say it predates the all brass for certain although my DC has a similar if not same base. A very special thanks to Mike Rathberger for following through to help me out with the missing switch. Your switch arrived today packed to survive a USPS full court basketball pass to follow with a slam dunk winning game point. 🙂 I am pleased to say that with the AC coil tower removed from the later GE all brass switch it fits in the 09-model base like a glove with room to spare above for a 3-speed resistance wire wind. Needed repairs to the switch are a walk in the park. Tomorrow is to be nice to Mike Rathberger day, all day, and everyone will respect this with the highest regard. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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