Steve Rockwell Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Lindsey Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Western Electric Bipolar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) As far as I know, Anthony nailed it... only minutes into the thread. The photo is labeled "early D-C. nonoscillating fan, 12 in., made about 1900"... I believe that the non-specific inscription came about when the print was made and the original glass negative destroyed, which took place en masse roughly a century ago, and it was not known by anyone in the office precisely who produced the fan... no badge to help with identification. It's worth noting that Roth Bros. and Peerless offered fans with similar motor cases... and there's always the question of who made what for whom..... Edited November 9, 2023 by Steve Rockwell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Dunaway Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Sure wish they would have continued placing the star in the middle of the front ring, that really dressed up the fan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Geoff Dunaway said: Sure wish they would have continued placing the star in the middle of the front ring, that really dressed up the fan. With exception of the 96-introduction model. 🙂 Edited November 9, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Cunningham Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 I had no idea WE made a pre star badge fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Steve Cunningham said: I had no idea WE made a pre star badge fan. Yup. It has been posted before on the old website. Now, check out the cast ornate motor housing on it. So far no clear images of the motor housing and brushes. Check out the circular ribbon like whatever it is at the back of the motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Opposite side ribbon like thingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 I can't help with the ribbon, couldn't find a dynamo so equipped... Regarding that star badge, I agree that it dresses up the ring... "Geoff Dunaway Posted yesterday at 09:23 AM Sure wish they would have continued placing the star in the middle of the front ring, that really dressed up the fan" I can't completely read the medallion within the star by zooming the excerpt in the third Post; the upper arc reads Western Electric Company, the lower arc reads Chicago. There are two lines of text towards the center, and by zooming a different advertisement, it seems as if it might say New York on the upper line of the two... What about the one below that, have they inscribed Chicago yet a third time? Until zooming for this thread, I had assumed the star design to be commemorative in some way; can any owner of such a badge provide more commentary on the thing? Periodically there are threads in the Forum about favorite badges, and my candidate has always been the later Western Electric..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) Edited November 10, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 The center badge star guard was introduced the following year in 1897. The 1896 model had one season of manufacture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Russ Huber said: That makes at least 3 ball pivot desk fans by 1896. Heinze, Western Electric, and Menominee. The Heinze model leading with an 1892 introduction. Edited November 10, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 This thread has taken a couple unanticipated directions... One aspect of things which left me with questions is the manufacture of the fans themselves, combined with the basic nature of the Western Electric Co. and the similarity not merely in design--- basic horseshoe et cetera, how varied could that be--- but the end caps of the motor, the neck, what-not--- there are marked similarities to the Eck and Roth and (assumedly later, [1899?]) Peerless efforts. Did they in fact produce their own D.C. bi-polars? They were a large enough organization to do so, but their focus was substantially on other types of equipment... The "new" A.C. fans they offered in 1896 are clearly of G.E. manufacture, and it begs the question of whether W.E. produced the D.C. fans, or were they marketing/distributing others' items..... and there's always the question of who made what for whom..... Think I need to dig back in the Old Forum..... Possibly more easily read..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 That language is pretty clear... although, for example, similar claims for Goldmark & Wallace manufacturing fans appeared elsewhere in print, if I remember correctly... Still, without better documentation, I shouldn't even speculate about Western Electric out-sourcing, and I'll drop it until such time as..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1499083457252562871-D0030785 (storage.googleapis.com) 1498392160114477571-00636871 (storage.googleapis.com) 1498396740528382831-00834695 (storage.googleapis.com) 1498403015524351642-00820327 (storage.googleapis.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 12 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: That language is pretty clear... although, for example, similar claims for Goldmark & Wallace manufacturing fans appeared elsewhere in print, if I remember correctly. I agree with your point, and it is a wise point to make. There is just too much overwhelming evidence Western Electric MANUFACTURED their own line of fan motors. The Oct. of 95 electrical trade link below once opened on the left-hand side column of the page has some goodies from Western Electric and their Chicago factory expansion focused for handling castings for dynamos and motors to be completed by Jan. of 96. What appears on the market mid 96? A Western Electric fan motor. Electricity - Google Books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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