Sean Campbell Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Hello All I’ve got something rather interesting here. It definitely seems to be of Lundell (IC or Sprague) origins, but I have no idea what it really is. It is equipped with a 220 volt induction motor without brushes. The traditional Lundell cage is present, but made of steel rather than brass. I have heard this could have been an export model or possibly made oversees under license. Anyone know what this is or when it was made? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Campbell Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Really, no guesses? I figured someone would take a stab at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 AEG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Lundell AC desk fan models were marketed 1895-1902 with brushed motors. It is clearly stated in 1903 electrical trade the Sprague/Lundell AC model was discontinued for the 03 season. Being your fan has no brushes, taking a stab at it would be just that, a stab. I don't call a stab definitive answer. Sorry, that is not much help. My stab would be an overseas model. Riker had an AC late 90s similar to Lundell's AC, but there are no electrical trade images of the Riker from the back of the fan that I am aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Carmody Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 It must be rare if Russ Huber doesn't know about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Thanks, but I am dumb as a bag of hammers when it comes to foreign fans. And my IMPRESSION is that is a foreign fan. Fact...there was a time back around the turn of the 19th American manufactured fans were the cat's meow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 From Holland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Campbell Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 Thanks for your guesses guys! Im definitely leading to overseas as well. I actually managed to track down that Riker add, but noticed the gen one Lundell pancake Motor was paired with the base seen on Riker DCs later. So I think we can possibly eliminate that. Along with AEG I’ve been wondering a bit about Bergmann due to that fan found years ago in Egypt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Campbell Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 14 hours ago, Louis Luu said: From Holland? Louis, why do you say Holland? Did EMI produce something similar to this? Very interested to know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Sean Campbell said: Louis, why do you say Holland? Did EMI produce something similar to this? Very interested to know! Base looks familiar to one I was following years ago and it was from Holland. The cage is what throws me off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 97 AC Riker. Triangular blade rivet pattern and other differences. Edited March 18, 2022 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 That steel guard has spot welds. 20th century Powers Central directory only supports DC Riker portable fan motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Lotsa similarities to... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Luu Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jim Kovar said: Lotsa similarities to... I think Jim nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Looks like the drop ringjoints are wrapped (tiedtogether) with smallergauge wires. Edited March 19, 2022 by Jim Kovar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Louis Luu said: I think Jim nailed it. Sprague/Lundell announces in 1903 The AC model pictured below and in 02 electrical trade was removed from the market. Beyond that, despite what I "think", I can't validate. FWIW.......Sprague announces in 1903 removal of the 15" and 18" desk fans. Edited March 18, 2022 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Beyond 1902 to the best of my knowledge Sprague/Lundell desk & bracket fan motors are advertised in the states specific to direct current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) I stand corrected in the fact that Sprague makes mention in some electrical trade beyond 03 of alternating current fan motors, but no specifics or images so far. In the 07 article Sprague just introduced their first optional desk & bracket DC desk fan with fan head pivot. They offer an AC that would do the same. Now, what did those AC desk & bracket models look like, and did they manufacture it? Edited March 18, 2022 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1907 Sprague fan motor catalogue. AC models were swivel trunnion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Campbell Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 Very interesting! It really makes me wonder if it is a post 1902 Lundell AC. To Jim’s point the cage seems to be the exact same construction as the earlier cages, just with steel rather than brass. Blades and base look the same too. I just find it odd there’s no motor tag. Too bad the catalogues don’t have a later AC model pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Sean Campbell said: Very interesting! It really makes me wonder if it is a post 1902 Lundell AC. To Jim’s point the cage seems to be the exact same construction as the earlier cages, just with steel rather than brass. Blades and base look the same too. I just find it odd there’s no motor tag. Too bad the catalogues don’t have a later AC model pic. I just thoroughly read Sprague/Lundell offerings for 03-04 in electrical trade. Strictly direct current models. Can't rule out a foreign made Lundell, or one in its likeness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 "Can't rule out a foreign made Lundell, or one in its likeness." For comparison, Antique Fan Parts ... https://antiquefanparts.com/12-german-dhr-interior-conduit-lundell-sprague-design-nickle-blade-guard-cage/ forget the cage and the rear motor cap in the photos, but look at: a) the base; b) particularly, the front motor cap oiler et cetera..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 It looks like a brushless AC Lundell to me. I would stand corrected by Jim regarding his closer inspection of the guard wire mounting being a wire wrap, not spot weld. I just can't validate an AC Lundell like Sean's through the US time period electrical trade. I was even surprised to see Sprague was advertising AC models after 1902. Sprague advertises in a brief paragraph in the 1905 American Electrician desk & bracket desk fans for direct and alternating currents. No images of the AC Sprague model. Were they ashamed of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Campbell Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Guess we may never know what it is for certain, but it really makes me wonder about that 1905 ish AC Lundell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Whitfield Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Did you get that out of Pennsylvania? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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