Russ Huber Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jeff Lumsden said: Financial troubles? I'm guessing if in a 1907 book, the case was prior to? Let us know when you figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) https://www.courts.michigan.gov/4b1365/siteassets/case-documents/uploads/opinions/final/coa/19970711_c192662(0026)_192662.opn.pdf Edited March 1, 2023 by Jeff Lumsden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) I edited my posts. I am sorry, but I misread the manufacturer, and I was wrong. Frank Rae worked for the Detroit Electrical Works, not the Detroit Motor Co. His dynamo construction is closer to Mel's Detroit motor construction than anything I can find from the Detroit Motor Co. I saw Harry Blades listed as the Superintendent at the Detroit Motor Co. in 92. WHY I can't find Mel's motor construction connected to Detroit Motor Co. is perplexing to me. Edited March 1, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Regarding the above-mentioned edit and its challenge, I backtracked to where I first located the Slater patent--- Belding research a year ago-- to another Slater patent... Here is another answer to the challenge, but not the answer sought... He next went to the Detroit Electrical Works, then moved to a larger Michigan concern. Later went to Mississippi and became involved in naval procurement work. 1890 Whipple's Directory Russ calls them wallets........ Edited March 1, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 "Russ calls them wallets"........ I got that from Loren Haroldson. Back then, a fat wallet, or a few, was behind getting the ball rolling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It is made clear in 80s Dentistry journals Fisher's patented Detroit Motor Co. motor was used for fan purpose, along with other dentistry related uses. Just where Mel's motor fits in.......? Steve, can you pin down when Detroit Motor Co. is no more? When do the disappear in the directories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Lagarde Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Russ Your access to these old patents and historical information about these early motors is awesome. Harry Blades was quite the guy, but Henry Slater takes the cake. What a life. What a mind. What a man. He obviously overcame his “pecuniary embarrassment” and made something of himself. I cannot thank you enough for the history lesson on this fan outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) From various issues of The Electrical Age - 1890-1891. H.H. Blades patents... Edited March 2, 2023 by Jeff Lumsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 From F B Rae of Detroit Electrical Works... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Mel Lagarde said: Russ Your access to these old patents and historical information about these early motors is awesome. Harry Blades was quite the guy, but Henry Slater takes the cake. What a life. What a mind. What a man. He obviously overcame his “pecuniary embarrassment” and made something of himself. I cannot thank you enough for the history lesson on this fan outfit. We will tip our hats to Steve Rockwell for the introduction of Mr. Slater, amongst a number of other contributions. Curveball Kovar, And Mr. Lumsden is gaining momentum for sure. : > ) Mel, Your motor design if I am not mistaken Is an English design referred to as the Manchester pattern. How exactly that fits in with the Detroit concern, and the timeline......? We will leave Mr. Lumsden, Mr. Rockwell, and Mr. Kovar to their free time on the keyboard and the key words Manchester/pattern/motor/dynamo/generator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1893... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Russ Huber said: Curveball Kovar... Never been called that before. Screwball Kovar, er,... yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Jim Kovar said: Never been called that before. There's worse. Maybe I'm a poet, and don't know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Russ Huber said: Mel, Your motor design if I am not mistaken Is an English design referred to as the Manchester pattern. How exactly that fits in with the Detroit concern, and the timeline......? 'Manchester' dynamo, made by Mather & Platt Ltd | Science Museum Group Collection Edited March 3, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 The Electrical Age - 1895... And Blades was still around... The electrical categories that Detroit Motor Co. advertised... And where they did not (nor any other category)... One more patent for Mr. Blades (of Detroit) in 1896...after that The Electrical Age well runs dry for Mr. Blades. At this point, he's in his mid 20's and does not show up working for any other of the Detroit outfits as Lockwood and Rae eventually did. Where did he go? Post 1895, I'm not finding any other references to Detroit Motor Co in The Electrical Age through 1900. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1892 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1894 Johnston's Electrical directory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Can someone please post/share a Detroit Motor Works bipolar motor like Mel's with a motor tag on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1899 - Ford took over the Detroit Motor Co. address... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 You have Detroit Motor Co. as late as 95. When did they dissolve? Established 86 using Fisher motor patent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Still hunting... https://www.google.com/books/edition/Code_of_Federal_Regulations/5gcdAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq="detroit+motor+co"&pg=PA1882&printsec=frontcover Some poor soul scanned a 2300 page business directory from 1895, but it gives us this.... Part electrical supply company now too or did they manufacture everything above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Lagarde Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 These were sent to me by a member. Posting them for the thread. A very similar fan with different switch and cast iron base. Tag is identical. Russ, I think you have it in the image of the Manchester motor posted on 3/2. Mel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Seeing that base it makes sense as a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) Detroit Motors Co is still listed in the 1897 edition... A dramatically smaller product category listing... Edited March 4, 2023 by Jeff Lumsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Lumsden Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) The 1897 Michigan factory inspection report reports that the Detroit Motor Co factory was idle on the inspection date of October 15, 1896. The 1898 Michigan factory inspection report no longer lists Detroit Motor Co period. https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/T_UeAQAAMAAJ?gbpv=1 In 1895, the factory was running - inspected on October 3, 1895... So sometime after October 3, 1895 and before October 15, 1896, the Detroit Motor Company's factory closed up shop. This would put Mel's fan and the second example sometime prior to October 15, 1896. Edited March 5, 2023 by Jeff Lumsden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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