Anthony Lindsey Posted September 16, 2023 Posted September 16, 2023 Anyone else have a stationary one of these? Everyone I see is an oscillator. 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted September 16, 2023 Posted September 16, 2023 FWIW.....I was able to pull up a bunch of Google book snippets supporting this fan. Not one supports a stationary model. But these are not full read books. Mike Kearns may have a better angle with old paper access. 1 Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Check out the plug these fans featured..... Quote
Thomas Peters Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Belden rubber plug. From the thirties.Probably original. Quote
Steven P Dempsey Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Doesn't FANIMATION make new ones like that? Thought I saw some at the Museum. Quote
Anthony Lindsey Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 It is the same plug that was on the RM Speaker fan I sold. 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Belden Soft Rubber Plug CANNOT BREAK The Belden Soft Rubber Plug is fully covered by patents in the United States and many foreign countries. Its construction is unique. It is, today, the accepted standard of the electrical ... 1498696117115152066-02205186 (storage.googleapis.com) 1498389847697221311-02173820 (storage.googleapis.com) Edited October 6, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote
Steve Butler Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Comparing this fan to an oscillator, I would say it’s a copy or a homemade repair job. The rear guard looks like a screen instead of cast. Also why make a different base and put the switch in the motor? Besides having no tag, the motor is backwards compared to the oscillator. Just my two cents, not worth a nickel. 🤷♂️ 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Edited October 8, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Anthony Lindsey Posted October 8, 2023 Author Posted October 8, 2023 Good points. Here are some close up pictures as well as the bottom of the base. Is that a cast #? The motor is cast onto the rear cover it appears. The base looks the same except it never had a hole in it for a switch. Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 This one has me scratching my skull. Definitely a tough one to pass off as a modification. Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Anthony, Thanks, we had needed more photos... badly. I really liked Steve Butler's observations and comments. My reaction was: if that's home-made, that home-maker is really good... because that appears to be up to professional standards--- after all, the front hangs off the rear and all are supported by those connections to the motor frame. Now, with fresh grist for contemplation, but without time right this moment, I plan to mull it over and study it again tonight... Any likelihood/possibility of it being prototypical? That's a lot of work to replace what became the stock item and to avoid oscillation... Would appreciate seeing even greater details of the above mentioned attachments, and the connection to the base as in the third-to-last photo..... Edited October 8, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote
Anthony Lindsey Posted October 8, 2023 Author Posted October 8, 2023 Well....I didn't notice before but the rear cage and motor housing are brass or bronze Front cage is not and magnet does not stick. Pot metal I assume. Base is cast iron and magnet sticks. Rear motor cover is stamped steel Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Here is some damning evidence for a prototype. #1. is its well-done construction. The switch toggle and mounting on Anthony's stationary "appears" to match the switch on the oscillator. With a stroke of luck the internal part of the switch on Anthony's may have a patent date stamped on it. Quote
Anthony Lindsey Posted October 8, 2023 Author Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) I believe it does. It is a small rectangular bakelite box and looks just like the one in the picture above with the fan broken out. I had to take it apart to get it to run as it was pretty stuck at first. This fan was with the 1901 Searchlight fan. Along with a RM speaker fan and the DC Lollipop. Edited October 8, 2023 by Anthony Lindsey 1 Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Disassembled Fan Photo from 11 Jul 1932; Bracket Oscillating Modernistic List No. 9304 from 15 Jul 1931 On 9/16/2023 at 3:21 PM, Anthony Lindsey said: Anyone else have a stationary one of these? Apparently Not Edited October 11, 2023 by Steve Rockwell 1 Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Cutler-Hammer prominent switch engineers/designers........Alvin W. Krieger, George J. Meuer. Knock yourself in Google patents 30s - or +. 🙂 Quote
Steve Cunningham Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Our expert on R&M is Rick Robinson. He said his opinion: “I bought a Modernistic once on eBay. It was supposed to be non- oscillating but when I received it, the oscillating gear had simply been removed. I have never actually seen a legitimate non- oscillator. As far as Radio fans, I do both the oscillator and a legitimate non-oscillator.” Quote
Russ Huber Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Steve Cunningham said: Our expert on R&M is Rick Robinson. He said his opinion: “I bought a Modernistic once on eBay. It was supposed to be non- oscillating but when I received it, the oscillating gear had simply been removed. I have never actually seen a legitimate non- oscillator. With all due respects to the organization, what makes Rick Robinson an expert? Does he hold actual Robbins & Myers documentation of the introduction and possible prototypes of this particular fan motor design? Better yet, lets here from Rick Robinson regarding Anthony's example, that being he's the expert. I see he is in the 21 AFCA directory. That is the last directory we have received to the best of my knowledge. I know despite my numerous efforts to benefit this organization with fan motor history; I am no expert, I just do the best I can do. Below is from the AFCA ABOUT US "Who We Are" We currently have over 700 members with a wide variety of backgrounds. Our average collector has been collecting for 12 years and has at least 70 fans in their collection. We also have 20 members with 50 or more years of experience. With their friendship, knowledge, and willingness to share, all prove to be valuable assets for the Association and anyone interested in joining. The AFCA is a not‐for‐profit organization. Each new member is provided with an AFCA membership directory, access to the considerable AFCA fan history archives, and with numerous local and national meeting opportunities. Edited October 10, 2023 by Russ Huber 1 Quote
Steve Cunningham Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 He doesn’t come on here. He plays golf and enjoys retirement. But he’s collected R&M fans for decades and has several of every model. For now, he’s the best we have. Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 Is this the starting point, or a further development? Filister-head screws and all..... Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) ? Geoff Dunaway's 1932 submission..... Edited October 10, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) On 10/8/2023 at 10:11 PM, Steve Rockwell said: On 9/16/2023 at 3:21 PM, Anthony Lindsey said: Anyone else have a stationary one of these? There might be more... Maybe you have a developmental design model, created as they elaborated and in-filled the rear guard... Note the rear guard's attachment to the motor frame... and the base's orientation... Perhaps they figured that casting the grating was far easier and efficient than screening... Makes me wonder all the more whether this is a developmental model..... Here's a prior Ringwald design using the same motor: Edited October 11, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote
Steve Rockwell Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) And this one makes me wonder whether the same workshop was playing around with ideas later incorporated in the patent below..... Edited October 11, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote
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