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Quentin Malzahn

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Hello guys and happy New Year’s it’s been awhile since Ive posted on here but I’ve found something amazing at an antique mall in Traverse City Mi. This is a 12 inch Westy universal motor fan possibly from the late teens. This is probably the oldest fan I’ve ever bought at an antique mall and quite possibly the oldest in my collection. I’ve never ever seen a 12 inch Westinghouse with a universal motor in it. I thought it was a centrifugal switch start fan until I heard what it sounds like and the sparking from the brushes rubbing against the commutator that I realized this was not an induction motor fan. Its hard to see the model number on the motor tag because its faded. This fan is in pretty good shape for its age surprisingly. It was originally for $350 but I talked the seller down to $250 so I got a really good deal on it. If anyone has any information on this model of Westinghouse fan please let me know thanks. Sorry the lighting is not the greatest in the photos IMG_0966.thumb.jpeg.0a01d9832c19764f97af809bd330f5fb.jpeg

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What is the style number? Westinghouse style numbers with style model description recorded by Bill Voigt. 

WestyStyleNoSurvey.txt
 
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Style # --        ( Generally, unless otherwise stated, 100-120 V AC 60 Cycles )
 
"Style 3856B - Volts 110-Alt 7200" - 4 blade Westy Tesla type
 
28117 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - "Pancake"
 
46970 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank, 1893 last pat date on label
 
60673 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank - 110 V DC
 
60677 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank - 100 - 110 V AC
 
60679 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 16 in - tank - 100 - 110 V AC
 
60681A - 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank
 
80421 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank - 111 - 120 V AC
 
80422 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 16 in - tank - 111 - 120 V AC
 
83241 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 16 in - tank - 112 - 115 V AC [ 3 speed]
 
98926A -  4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 8 in commutator
98926B
 
98117 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - pancake - 100 V AC  <---------------------<  11_19_2009
 
105454 - 4 blade R&M by Westy brass BC lollypop-osc 12 in - tank
 
107988 - 4 blade R&M by Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank
 
108706 - 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 16 in - tank
 
110622 - 4 blade R&M by Westy brass BC lollypop-osc 16 in - tank  200-250 V 50 Cy
 
115675
115675A - 4 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 12 in - tank - 100 - 110 V AC
 
115676A - 4 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 16 in - tank - 100 - 110 V AC
 
115697 -- 4 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 12 in - tank - 111 - 120 V AC
 
115678A - 4 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 16 in - tank - 111 - 120 V AC
 
115697 -- 4 blade Westy ceiling fan - 1896 last label pat. date - 52 in ?
115697B - 4 blade Westy ceiling fan - 1913 last label pat. date  <---------------------------<  11_12_2009
 
115725A - 4 blade Westy ceiling fan - 02-23-96 pat. date - 52(?) in
 
115746A - 4 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 12 in - tank
 
122631 -- tank frame utility motor

133580 - 6 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank  (100-110 v.)

133581 - 6 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank  (111-120 v.)
 
133598 - 4 blade Westy by GE brass BC sidewinder osc 12 in - tank
 
133600 - 6 blade Westy by GE brass BC sidewinder osc 16 in – tank

133609 - 6 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 12 in - tank - 100 - 110 V AC
 
133610 - 6 blade Westy brass BC vane osc 12 in - tank - 111 - 120 V AC
 
R-134034 - 4 blade R&M by Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank
 
W-134061A  - 4 blade Western Elec't brass BC vane osc 12 in - tank
 
R136023 - 4 blade R&M by Westy brass BC lollypop-osc 12 in – tank

147663 - 6 blade DC Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - tank  (       v.)  (Fred Berry has, solid cage badge)

 149178 - 4 blade Westy brass BC lever osc 12 in - tank
 
149120 ??
149190 - 4 blade Westy brass BC lever osc 16 in - tank
 
149228 - 4 blade Westy brass BC lever osc 12 in - tank
149571-  6 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in- drawn steel  40/50 cycles 100-120 volts, single speed?
149575 - 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 12 in - drawn steel
149575 -- 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - steel case - 30 cycles 100-110 volts
149575 -- 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - steel case - 60 cycles 100-110 volts
149576A
 
151174R - 4 blade Westy R&M brass BC gear osc tank 12 in
 
151174T - 4 blade Westy R&M brass BC gear osc tank 16 in
 
161181 -- 6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - steel case, and those below
161189 -- 6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - steel case
161190 -  6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in – steel case 111-120 volts, 2 speed ser. # 442486
162620
162620A - 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in 100-115 V - commutator - ?25 cycles
 
162628G
162628C
162628B - 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in
162628A
 
162629 - S/N 566702 - 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - 111-120 V
             428139
 
162634    6 blade Westy non-osc. 12” 2-speed 100-110v.  S/N 508528  2 speed (Steve's fan)
162634A
162634B-   Ser.No. 992060 100-120 volts 60 cycles
162634C - 6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - Serial No. 1043815
 
162635 -- 6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - 111-120 V
 
162631
162631B - 4 blade Westy non-osc 16 in
162631G
 
162632 -- 4 blade Westy non-osc 16 in - 111-120 V
 
162637  - 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in commutator - 100 - 115 V DC - Serial 470648 - [ 06_22_2009]
162637C - 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in commutator - 100 - 110 V DC
 
162643B - 4 blade Westy non-osc 16 in
 
163557A - 4 blade Western Electric branded Westy non-osc 12 in
 
W-164036 - "WESTERN ELECTRIC COMPANY / HAWTHORN FORMERLY VICTOR / ALTERNATING CURRENT FAN MOTOR / STYLE # W-164036"
            4 blade Westy  Tank - brass BC non-osc 12 in
164848 -- 4 blade Westy osc 12 in - 100-110 V
164848B
164848C
164848G - 4 blade Westy osc 12 in (Like the one from Billl I have with sq. back ring, brass blade and tags)
164848I
164848K
 
164849 -- 4 blade Westy osc 12 in - 111-120 V
 
164850G - 4 blade Westy osc 12 in - 200 - 240 V
 
164851B - 4 blade Westy osc 16 in
164851D
164851G
164851H
164851I
 
F164851G - Westinghouse, electric & MTG Co, pittsburgh Pa USA
   Alternating current Motor, 100-120 Volts, 50/60 CYCLES
   style "F164851G" serial "1588170

164856H  6 blade 16” DC 100-125 volts  (Ser. # 1665944) brass blades

164860B
164860G - 4 blade Westy osc 12 in commutator - 100 - 115 V - 25 cycles
 
164864 – 6 blade Westy ss, osc, 12”
164864
164864A
164864B
164864G - 6 blade Westy osc 12 in
 
164868G - 4 blade Westy osc 16 in commutator - 200 - 250 V - 25 cycles
 
165365B - 4 blade Westy brass BC non-osc 8 in
 
177051 -- 6 blade Westy non-osc 16 in - 111-120 V
 
177105G - 6 blade Westy osc 16 in commutator - 25-40 cycles ?
 
177109D
177109E
177109G - 6 blade Westy osc 16 in
177109I
 
180175 -- 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in BB BC - 100 - 125 V Direct Current Motor
 
180175G - 4 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - 24 - 32 V Direct Current Motor
 
221499D - 6 blade Westy Gyro osc 12 in - (12-2-21)
 
241842
241842B - 4 blade Westy non-osc 10 in
 
241853A - 4 blade Westy osc 10 in - cast body
 
244822C - 6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in hanging model
244822E
 
253468 -- 4 blade Westy Whirlwind non-osc 8 in
 
269172 -- 4 blade Westy Whirlwind non-osc 8 in
 
2707942 -- 4 blade Westy Whirlwind non-osc 8 in - 27-32 VDC
 
272852
272852B - 4 blade Westy non-osc 10 in DC 25/40 cycles - 100 - 125 V
 
280598 -- 4 blade Westy Whirlwind non-osc 8 in
 
280698 -- 4 blade Westy Whirlwind non-osc 8 in DC - 40 cycles - 100 - 125 V
 
315734
315734A - 4 blade 6 pole Westy non-osc 12 in
 
315736A - 4 blade Westy osc 9 in - 24 - 32 V - Railroad - Direct Current Motor
 
315737A - 4 blade slow speed Westy osc 12 in 100 -125 VDC
 
315745 -- 4 BRASS blade 6 pole Westy osc 12 in
 
315745A - 4 blade 6 pole Westy osc 12 in
 
321336 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy non-osc 16 in
 
321339 -- 4 blade DC Westy osc 16 in -- 100-125 volts - DC
 
321347 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy osc 16 in
 
363328B - 4 blade Westy osc 10 in - cream / ivory 10 - 100-125 volts - DC 25/40  cycles
 
363329B - 4 blade Westy osc 10 in - SERIAL NO. 1942909 - cream / ivory 10 "
STYLE NO. 3633298  SERIAL NO. 1942909 - cream / ivory 10 "
 
WESTINGHOUSE WHIRLWIND FAN STYLE #420550
420550 -- 4 blade Westy non-osc 8 in AC - DC radial commutator
 
457678A - 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in 1 spd
457678B - 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in 3 spd
457678C
 
457688 -- 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 10 in (?) 3 spd
457688A
457688C- 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 10 in 3 spd
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457690 -
vintage rare Westinghouse Rotaire Fan. Items specifics Ser #6015389 Style #457690 Volts 100/120 Cycles 60 also on Label 11511 & 1-22-26 
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5124202 - 6 blade Westy non-osc 12 in - 30 - 40 VDC - Ship (military) - Direct Current Motor
 
516851A - 4 blade DC 6 pole speed Westy osc 12 in
516853A                                           -- 100-125 volts - DC
 
516860
516860A - 4 blade 6 pole Westy shaded pole osc 12 in
 
516866 -- 4 blade 6 pole speed commutator Westy osc 16 in - 100-125 V - 25 Cycles
            Cat No. 16-F-32; Serial B1
 
516873A - 4 blade 6 pole Westy shaded pole osc 16 in
 
516909A - 4 blade 6 pole Westy shaded pole non-osc 12 in
 
517192 -- 4 blade Westy 52 in ceiling fan
 
517520 -- 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 8 in
 
517723  ]
517723A ]- 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in 3 spd
 
517723B ]- 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in 1 spd
517723D ]
 
517728
517728A  - 4 blade Westy osc 10 in 100-125 V - commutator - DC to 25 Cycles
 
517733A - 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 10 in 3 spd
517733B - 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 10 in 1 spd
 
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517192 -- 4 blade Westy ceiling fan - 3-3-27 pat. date - 52 in ?
 
553433 -- 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 8 in - single bearing - [ 06_22_2009]
 
653373 -- 4 blade Westy ceiling fan also 3-3-27 pat. date - 36 in
 
699785 -- 4 blade  shaded pole Westy osc 10 in - Debonarie series
 
755266-- 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 8 in (green, sw on back of motor)
 
755341 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy shaded pole chrome 12 " osc
 
768767 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy shaded pole Debonair 12 " osc
 
800373 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 12 in
 
800377 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 16 in
 
800381 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor non-osc 12 in
800381 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor non-osc 12 in
            Cat No. 12-FN-3, serial number is LG
 
802628 -- 4 blade Westy ceiling fan also 12/11/32  <<================<<  10_14_2009
 
803008 -- 4 blade  shaded pole Westy osc 10 in ? 3 spd
 
803018 -10-FN-3 - 4 blade  shaded pole Westy non-osc 10 in 3 spd
 
803681 -- 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 8 in bakelite motor case
 
868442 - 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 8 in
 
868452 - 10-SF-3 - 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in - CAT.No. SF-3 serial no. JG
 
868462 - 10-F-3 - 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in 3 spd
 
868472 - 12-F-3 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 12 in
 
868482 - 16-F-3 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 16 in
 
868484 - 16-FC-3 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy chrome capacitor osc 16 in
 
868491 - WESTINGHOUSE WHIRLWIND CAT. NO. 8-SFN-30 - STYLE # 868491 - 4 blade Westy non-osc 8 in AC - DC radial commutator
 
868852 -- 8-F-3 ? - 4 blade shaded pole Westy non-osc 8 in bakelite motor case - "Cardinal"
 
868872CA- 4 blade Westy 4 pole Westy shaded pole osc 12 in
868872  GF
 
921209 -- 4 blade shaded pole Westy osc 10 in - "Cardinal"
 
921394 -- 3 blade Westy "Whirlaire" 22 in 1725 / 1140 rpm 110 V 3.2 A - Cat No. 22-FT-3
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922232 - 16-F-3 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 16 in
 
922242 - 12-F-3 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 12 in
 
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922252 - CAT.No. 12-FL-3.  STYLE: 922252 - 4 blade Westy 4 pole Westy shaded pole osc 12 in
 
VOLTS 100/120, CY (Cycles) 60, CAT. NO. 12-FL-3, AMP .75, SERIAL L G, , STYLE 922252,
WESTINGHOUSE ELECTRIC & MFG. COMPANY, EAST SPRINGFIELD WKS., SPRINGFIELD, MASS., U.S.A.
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922282 -- 4 blade  shaded pole Westy osc 10 in - "Darth Vader" series - Cat No. 10-SQ-3
 
922312 -- 4 blade  - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor Pedestal osc 12 in "Darth Vader" series
          Cat No. 12-QP-3; Serial CH
922312 -- Cat No. 12-QP-3, serial number is DH, style #922312 dated 11-25-36
 
922942 -- 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 16 in "Darth Vader" series
 
1044332 - 4 blade  shaded pole Westy osc 10 in - "Darth Vader" series
          Cat No. 10-Q-3; Serial KH
 
1045267 - 4 blade Westy 6 pole Westy capacitor Pedestal osc 12 in "Darth Vader" series
          CAT.No. 12-QP-3; STYLE: 1045267
 
1045859 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 16 in "Darth Vader" series
 
1137195 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy capacitor osc 16 in "Darth Vader" series
          Cat No. 16-A-3; Serial BL
 
1229200 - 4 blade 6 pole Westy  shaded pole non-osc 12 in, serial GN3078, cat no 12-FNM-3 - oval base, cylindrical cage
 
1229640 - 4 blade Westy 4 pole Westy shaded pole osc 12 in, serial LL
 
1232362 - 4 blade Westy 4 pole Westy shaded pole non-osc 12 in, serial F01837, cat no TA-12 (navy spec)
 
1280727 - 4 blade Westy osc 10 in - 27/32 V DC

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"If"...... I am seeing a micro date of 11 on your tag, I would be suspicious of the authenticity of that fan. Westinghouse used laminated stators on their stamp steel brushed DC models. I never tried running AC through one. 

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IMG_0970.jpeg.46179e65deee298fb0a64569aa92c96e.jpegheres a better pic of the micro date looks like it has 11 on it. is it the wrong tag?

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The motor plate sez it's
an AC motor...

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Brushes...

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tell me it's a series motor...

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Being marked for AC
operation only,...

and assuming being
multi-speed,...

is the speed coil resistive
or inductive?

Either would work for
AC operation.

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Thats what I don’t understand about that tag because it seems like it would work on dc as well since its a universal motor 

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Your fan can't have a copper speed coil with a brushed motor, it must be resistance wire. Unfortunately, Bill Voigts compiled data shows the 162620 style, but no description after it. I tried doing a web scan to locate another 162620 model and failed. Very strange no centrifugal switch back that early. I can't validate it, yet I have never heard of such a style as yours

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Surprisingly it seems to work just fine though on that coil. thanks for the info Russ. Mostly I keep my fans for display anyway so I don’t use them as daily runners. Im wondering if someone tampered with it years ago it sure seems real

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I have a cast iron R&M gear back oscillator. Brush motor 60 cycle fan. The guy I bought it from said his mother used it for years. I think it's model 1176 going from memory. People here swear never made, yet there it is, as found,untouched original. Found about 70 miles south of you. Proof of "manufactured" on this sight is always questioned, but the fans exist. Enjoy your fan.

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Nobody is calling you out on the fan or trying to rain on your parade. 🙂 It is interesting.  Please, at your convenience, take some good profile shots of it to share. And if you're up to it at your convenience, please drop the switch plate so we can see your coil. Maybe someone will come forward with that style number. 

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When I see brush holders on many fans I think it is for 25 or 40 cycles.    Could the motor tag have been restamped?  Is the rear of one blade hub finger stamped with a year or years as on mine (11 and 12 in one photo below)?

I  have Style 162634, 60 cycle, 6 wing, 12", TWO speeds.  Other than the zip power cord the fan is all original.

Quentin, can you tell if the bearing carriers are made of pot metal or brass/bronze which mine has.  These are the very first of the stamped steel Westy fans before they went to pot metal on the bearing holders.

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19 minutes ago, Steve Stephens said:

Quentin, can you tell if the bearing carriers are made of pot metal or brass/bronze which mine has. 

 

 

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They're brass, Steveo, rivets on the caps are the giveaway. He has an early one. 

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3 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said:

Bill's survey clearly states the 25 cycle as suffix "a"

You see, that's what make this early tagged 60 cycle brush motor with a 162620 style interesting. Anyone out there with a style 162620 out there? Why would Westinghouse make a gazillion early centrifugal start AC models and a couple of brush motor AC 60 cycle models?

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I was actually going to replace the power cord on the fan anyways so as soon as I do that I’ll snap a picture of the switch 

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5 minutes ago, Quentin Malzahn said:

I was actually going to replace the power cord on the fan anyways so as soon as I do that I’ll snap a picture of the switch 

If your original head cord is there, and your head cord to switch connections look unmolested, cool beans. 

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I took the power cord off so it goes underneath those screws that are backed out head wire looks ok 

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The Style Number suffix I don't think has any more to do with the fan than a later suffix is a later year or modification.  Bill probably knew.   I helped him out one time when we took all of his Westy stamped steel fans from his storage unit and made or added notes to his survey.

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I think we're a little closer to the real deal story. It appears your fan may have started out as a 25 cycle fan and was converted in the past over to 60 cycles. 

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1 hour ago, Michael Rathberger said:

Bill's survey cleary states the 25 cycle as suffix "a"

Bill's survey was a SURVEY of the Westys he had where he entered the tag info for the SS Westys he had.  Suffix A fans were made around a similar time where the suffix letter seems to be more related to the chronological age of the fan in question and not much more.

 

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