Michael Rathberger Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 So. Westinghouse and R&M, redid whole tags when fans were converted to 60 cycle from 25 cycles. Ok. I have a bridge I'd like to sell you an Russ,you can split it. Cheap, 75,000. You can charge tolls. $5.00 each way. It's a gold mine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said: Ok. I have a bridge I'd like to sell you and Russ, you can split it. Cheap, 75,000. You can charge tolls. $5.00 each way. It's a gold mine.... Thanks, Mike, but bridges aren't my cuppa. The first images are bad, but I know the guy that owned the early 16" stump. Micro date is 5-15-11 and style 162622. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 #2 was shared in past by Dennis Lebow. Another slightly later 16" 162622 with micro date 6-18-13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Why do we not see many style 162620 12" models and 162622 16" models? Because they are, or were, originally 25 cycle desk fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) Am I seeing a 60 cycle over stamp on Quentin's 12" style 162620, or is it just me? 🙂 Edited January 1 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Yes. A 2 and a 5 make a perfect 6 and 0. You weren't there and anything you say is subjective. The actual fan tells the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 15 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said: You weren't there and anything you say is subjective. The actual fan tells the story. Maybe something as simple as Quentin with a magnifying glass can help tell the story. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Malzahn Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 (edited) This is the best photo i can do but it looks like 60 is engraved over the 25. If you Look very closely you can see it Edited January 3 by Quentin Malzahn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Malzahn Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 I wonder how they did that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Michael Rathberger said: I stand corrected. No need for that, Mike. You're just full of spunk! Raised in windy city tearing up and down the streets like Steve McQueen and 007! 🙂 Video | Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Quentin Malzahn said: I wonder how they did that 25 cycle system became obsolete, the owner hauled the fan into a motor shop be it local or Westinghouse related repair and replaced or rewound the guts and stamped 60 over 25. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Your fan is not original, it is better than that. You can plug it into the wall socket and use it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Malzahn Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) Ah I get it someone over the years modified it to run on 3 speeds plugged into a wall outlet. still that is a very interesting fan I found Edited January 4 by Quentin Malzahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Quentin Malzahn said: Ah I get it someone over the years modified it to run on 3 speeds plugged into a wall outlet. still that is a very interesting fan I found That 60 cycle over-stamp is impressive enough to say your fan was converted from 25 cycle to 60 cycle by a skilled shop. Yes, you have a nice unique stamp steel. Edited January 4 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 On 12/31/2023 at 5:59 PM, Russ Huber said: Your fan can't have a copper speed coil with a brushed motor, it must be resistance wire. If a series motor... and operating on AC as the motor plate specifies, why could not an inductive speed coil be used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Not saying one is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Jim Kovar said: If a series motor... and operating on AC as the motor plate specifies, why could not an inductive speed coil be used? After I read your question, I called an experienced motor man from our area I get along well with and asked him your question. He doesn't work on old fans, but he could not give me an answer to your question. All I know is every universal brushed motor I have seen uses resistance wire on the switch. Never once have I witnessed a copper wound speed coil on a universal AC/DC motor. The 25-cycle brushed motor stator I believe is a different animal beefy with copper. I don't know for sure what type of stator is now in Quentin's fan. Edited January 4 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Malzahn Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 Unfortunately I don’t want to take the motor cover off because I don’t want to damage anything especially if it’s a universal motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 57 minutes ago, Quentin Malzahn said: Unfortunately I don’t want to take the motor cover off because I don’t want to damage anything especially if it’s a universal motor. Nothing was expected of you, Quentin. FWIW...another way to spot an earlier stamp steel visually is the rear slope of the painted brass bearing cap. The die cast(pot metal) bearing caps do not have that slope. You fan is in very nice condition, and was undoubtly an uncommon style number 25 cycle model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Carmody Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Russ I have Westinghouse’s sitting all over and have not noticed that.That will make them easier to spot on listings.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Stephens Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I just wanted to mention that the early Westy stamped steel fans with the bronze bearing carriers ALWAYS had the bearing carriers factory painted as seen below on my all original example. Many times I see a fan posted (like the one Russ posted just above) showing the bearing carrier highly polished bronze which is a custom job done to bling out the fan; not original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) And if you do decide to bling your bearing caps out, there is a few steps. The early brass/bronze bearing caps are riveted on to the housing. In order to remove and polish the cap, you have to drill out the rivets carefully to remove the bearing cap. Take it to the buffing wheel. You then have to use a tap to thread the rivet holes and attach the bearing cap with brass screws from the inside of the housing. You then post a picture of your shiny bearing caps and Steveo will post how you shouldn't have done that. 🙂 Edited January 5 by Russ Huber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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