Paul Michael Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) I know Russ will especially like seeing this. Unfortunately I was having serious technical issues and a injuries when I 'found' this fan motor. I was unable to 'save' her from the barn sale but I know a scrapper didn't either, sold for around $300. I was hoping it was someone here. I suspect this is 1892/3, or earlier, before Kulp/Crescent 'Electric' fans were produced. This was presumably used for a barn ventilator, and I remember seeing a post about a huge 'motor-less' barn ventilator find in the past few months, and I believe it was the actual fan that went with this (or this style) motor! Search didn't help me... Unfortunately, I have no further information on this RARE fan motor, or her whereabouts, sorry. I just spent a bunch of time trying to find more photos of her, I had found one and posted it on the FB group last night. Sad to report this 'Missing' fan, but at least we have these photos! Edited April 28, 2023 by Paul Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Kulp in Lancaster was bought out by Marietta, PA. prominent H. Burd Cassel and another in 95. Kulp remained in charge of the plant. The concern manufactured in Lancaster under the Marietta Mfg. Co. name in 95. In 96 Kulp's factory was moved to Marietta. The water motor dates 94 and retro possibly back into the 1880s. The Kulp advertisement dates 87. Kulp marketed both hydro and electric fan motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Michael Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Russ Huber said: Kulp in Lancaster was bought out by Marietta, PA. prominent H. Burd Cassel and another in 95. Kulp remained in charge of the plant. The concern manufactured in Lancaster under the Marietta Mfg. Co. name in 95. In 96 Kulp's factory was moved to Marietta. The water motor dates 94 and retro possibly back into the 1880s. The Kulp advertisement dates 87. Kulp marketed both hydro and electric fan motors. Thank you Russ. Don't forget to eat yer puddin'! (-: Edited April 28, 2023 by Paul Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Steve Rockwell in past pointed out to me documentation with Kulp's fingers in the electric fan business early 90s. I think I have that right. If I don't have that right, I will get a message from him to delete this, and to go fly a kite. Fact Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Michael Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) Thanks Jim. Thousands in use . . . WHERE are they all now!? Also, $50 was a LOT back then. >>>What year is that publication? Edited April 28, 2023 by Paul Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I thought hooking the pool return line to one and then connecting a vintage dynamo would be a little fun. Just need to find a stout enough unit for price. Run the outdoor lights from it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, Paul Michael said: Thanks Jim. Thousands in use . . . WHERE are they all now!? Also, $50 was a LOT back then. >>>What year is that publication? Last page of... https://archive.org/details/newcrescentelect00mari/mode/1up?view=theater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Michael Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said: I thought hooking the pool return line to one and then connecting a vintage dynamo would be a little fun. Just need to find a stout enough unit for price. Run the outdoor lights from it.... Chlorine is a heavy oxidizer... or are you fancy with a salt pool? I swim in the creek*. 🤷🏼♂️ *—I have a ram pump for that... Edited April 28, 2023 by Paul Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul Michael Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jim Kovar said: Last page of... https://archive.org/details/newcrescentelect00mari/mode/1up?view=theater Thank you! I used to be a google docs/JStor whiz...or is that wiz? Sir, I have my cheque for $72.00 for the 'Colander" on the ready. To where shall I send it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 33 minutes ago, Michael Rathberger said: ...the pool... Must be nice,... havinga cement pond! Hanging around poolsidewith bathing beauties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Michael Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jim Kovar said: Must be nice,... havinga cement pond! Hanging around poolsidewith bathing beauties! I hear Nancy Kulp was a regular at his poolside. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Paul Michael said: I hear Nancy Kulp was a regular at his poolside. . . I realized the same namecoincidence, just after Iposted the beauties! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I'll send a pic this summer of me in the speedo Jim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kovar Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Michael Rathberger said: I'll send a pic this summer of me in the speedo Jim... Trying hard to unthinkthat thought! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Paul Michael said: Thanks Jim. Thousands in use . . . WHERE are they all now!? Also, $50 was a LOT back then. >>>What year is that publication? It is validated in electrical trade the Kulp concern was moved from Lancaster, PA. to Marietta, PA. in 1896. The image used in the 99 catalogue is with little doubt an old image of Kulp's water motor marketed back in Lancaster. I have no clue when Kulp first marketed water motors. Kulp goes back a ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) Edited April 29, 2023 by Steve Rockwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Michael Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Steve Rockwell said: Thanks - So 1876 start-up. I am aware of this publication but I did not get it to open. I was planning a museum trip I worked at the Smithsonian long ago. (-; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 The patent for that water motor may be in the abyss of the US patent directory under some John Doe in Lancaster. Just when Kulp used the patent for it and started manufacturing it....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) I thought I posted a bunch of Lancaster info in the Old Forum, including the Kulp's Pattern Room notice below, but I find no such threads... I'm presenting what is possibly the source of Kulp's water motor production———— This one seems to summarize it best: Kulp was a founder, who over time diversified, represented others as agent, cast about for fresh ideas and enterprises as patent solicitor i.e. drawings etc., which led to other means of fan propulsion and to electricity in general, and he always remained a pattern maker… For a good long while he had alliances with Ezra F. Landis and William J. Mingle. 1879 1883 1883 1883 1886 1886 Beyond the automatic motor featured center, note the similarities of the engine/pump at the left to the 1883 Landis unit. Mingle continued water motor work and himself had later patents in association with Specialty Manufacturing out of Indianapolis. It seems that between 1886 & 1887 there was a change of address, so during 1886 Kulp left Cherry St. That is also when I first notice listings as D.H. Kulp & Co.—- that statement requires further verification. When we see Kulp’s name as manufacturer of the water motor which began this thread, is it possible we’re seeing a Mingle-designed water motor featuring the name of his co-developer and builder, David Kulp? Put otherwise: is William Mingle that John Doe? Edited April 30, 2023 by Steve Rockwell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Rockwell Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Also, see US378710..... Edited April 30, 2023 by Steve Rockwell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rathberger Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Looks to be a control valve? Don't think I've ever seen that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve Rockwell said: Also, see US378710..... 1498408169962740709-00378710 (storage.googleapis.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Huber Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Steve Rockwell said: When we see Kulp’s name as manufacturer of the water motor which began this thread, is it possible we’re seeing a Mingle-designed water motor featuring the name of his co-developer and builder, David Kulp? ~ Steve Rockwell Pattern maker and Patent attorney. You sent me documentation in the past with Kulp involved with electric fans early 90s in past. Whose electric fans early 90s was Kulp involved with? Kulp is on the map with ceiling and column electric fans with the Cresent Electric Co. of Lancaster in 94. There, Kulp is using Brinser's motor patent. The start of the Crescent fan business. Biographical Annals of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania - Google Books Edited April 30, 2023 by Russ Huber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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