Am I missing something? (Edison Bipolar C-frame)

[Russ Huber]

I don't know how much Charles Lieb could take credit for designing the 9" Edison battery fan, if in fact he did. If so, like Edison, he took credit for using the concepts conceived by another. 🙂

[Russ Huber]

Kind of Ironic Charles J. Van Depoele passed (March 18, 92) the same year the Edison battery fan was placed on the market. Thomson-Houston purchased the Depoele motor business years before his death. I personally can find nothing connecting Edison/Charles Lieb engineering to the Edison battery fan.   

The Street Railway Journal - Google Books

 

Charles Joseph Van Depoele (lamptech.co.uk)
 

It was announced in the Western Electrician in March of 1888¹ that the Thomson-Houston Company purchased the motor business of the Van Depoele Electric Manufacturing Company of Chicago. The Van Depoele concern thereafter was to devote its efforts to the production of arc and incandescent lighting.

In the 13 July 1889 issue of the Western Electrician it was announced that the Thomson-Houston Company purchased the lighting business of the Van Depoele Company³. Thus, Thomson-Houston had purchased the entire businesses of the Van Depoele Company.

 

Edited September 22, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

Can Bill Samek please share his source of documentation of Edison's/Charles Lieb's engineering of the 92 Edison battery fan? With the present dated electrical trade postings within this post corrections can be made to this documentation to specify dated changes made.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Steve Rockwell]

   The language of this excerpt is not conclusive and merely implies that Edison manufactures the C-frame fans, but it's the only thing I have to offer regarding Lieb's possible work on this particular Edison fan...

Edited September 22, 2024 by Steve Rockwell

[Russ Huber]

Charles J. Van Depoele motor illustrations. The frame, armature, and brush set up is a dead ringer for the Edison 92 introduction 9" battery fan on the 88 issue patent. 

Van Depoele Electric Mfg. Co. - Related Photos and Images | VintageMachinery.org

Edited September 23, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

On 9/22/2024 at 1:51 PM, Steve Rockwell said:

   The language of this excerpt is not conclusive and merely implies that Edison manufactures the C-frame fans, but it's the only thing I have to offer regarding Lieb's possible work on this particular Edison fan...

 

[Russ Huber]

20 hours ago, Russ Huber said:

 

New York & ORANGE, NJ (1899).

Edited September 24, 2024 by Russ Huber

[Russ Huber]

Unless someone produces some documentation that is eluding me, I have failed to find anything involving Charles Lieb in the 1892 introduction Edison battery fan. 

[Russ Huber]

One more thing I would like to add... Charles J. Van Depoele died prematurely at the age of 46 in March of 92. If he hadn't of croaked and sold off his Chicago motor business/interests/patents to the Thomson-Houston in 88 and remained in the motor business protected by his patents, my bet is you wouldn't own an Edison battery fan. Or at least one that looks like an Edison battery fan. 🙂

[Dennis Back]

The only known fire at the Edison factory took place in December 9, 1914 starting at 5:15 pm in the film inspection area. 

By 7:30 pm, the fire had spread to a total of 13 buildings.  This is all well documented.

 

 

[Russ Huber]

Keep in mind Bill Samek's research presentation was done back in 2002. Access to Google electrical trade books/patents at that time was in its infancy at best at that time. I just want to point out the efforts made on this post by myself were made in good intention to help bring forth documentation to support facts and reasonable speculation. I myself made numerous fan history posts on the old website in an attempt to get the facts straight but fell short of the mark. All you can do is learn from those attempts that fell short of the mark and move forward. 🙂

[Russ Huber]

I have traced back Edison's orange factory connected to the manufacture of the Edison battery fan as early as 97....so far. Edison had things brewing in Orange in 92 enough to support fan motor manufacture with offices held in NY.

[Dennis Back]

1 hour ago, Russ Huber said:

Keep in mind Bill Samek's research presentation was done back in 2002. Access to Google electrical trade books/patents at that time was in its infancy at best at that time. I just want to point out the efforts made on this post by myself were made in good intention to help bring forth documentation to support facts and reasonable speculation. I myself made numerous fan history posts on the old website in an attempt to get the facts straight but fell short of the mark. All you can do is learn from those attempts that fell short of the mark and move forward. 🙂

Russ....I was was thinking the exact same thing about searching and Googling back in 2002 when this was presented.  When I started using the net, there was NO Google!  I used DOGPILE.  Anyone remember that?

I tip my hat and thank Bill Samek for compiling his list.  Twenty-two years later, it STILL has a wealth of valuable and viable information.   

 

[Russ Huber]

Interesting reading for those interested. In a nutshell, Charles Coffin was CEO of the Thomson-Houston when Depoele's business interests were bought out in entirety. Charles Coffin became the CEO of the newly formed General Electric in 92 which the Thomson-Houston merged into. I kind of get the 'IMPRESSION' if you read through the following letting Edison use Depoele's motor patent as a foundation to construct his 92-introduction battery fan would not be a problem. You come to your own conclusions. 🙂

Charles Depoele was a major player in electric traction.

In 1887, Edison's laboratory moved out of Menlo Park and into the new, much larger laboratory in West Orange. This is where Edison spent the remaining forty-four years of his life, continuing to improve his earlier inventions and creating new inventions

 

 

Edited September 24, 2024 by Russ Huber